Revamping the "Monster" build for the "new" DDO?

[Sebushka]

Hello friendly forum folk.

I have been reading a lot about the old monster build 12fighter/6ranger/2monk build... as was the uber dps it used to be... now I read about folks taking a HORC 12fighter/6ranger/2rogue build... to make up for the lack of DPS after the nerf of the 10% attack speed bonus for monks in the last update.

My question is has anyone posted this build on the forums in a build creator?
I have searched the past few days and see people chatting it up but haven't seen anyone put any build posts up to back it up.

I would like to roll the original monster (which I can find that build post) and also the "new" Horc monster to compare and contrast. (which I cannot locate)

Can anyone point me in the right direction... or possibly post the build creator sheet for it so I can test drive this new monster?


Many thanks.

Happy raiding! :

[garlor]

only a tiny bit of brain is needed to take a wf build into a horc build, that's why nobody has bothered posting it

anyway the monster is dead as the best dps, a good solution would be going 12 ftr/rngr 7 rogue ( assasin I if rngr ) 1 monk or the blitz if you want to grind one entire past life and pray they don't fix the barb past life

[XL_Jockey]

... to make up for the lack of DPS after the nerf of the 10% attack speed bonus for monks in the last update.

Did I miss this nerf? Last night I was switching between Wind and Fire stances and I could've sworn Wind was still faster.

[grodon9999]

The thing is . . . the game's not Dungeons and Devils anymore which it pretty much was when the Monster came out. Against it's 2 Favored Enemies it's damage still holds up but it falls behind with everything else. I converted mine into a tank build and it works fantastic for that.

Fighter 12/Rogue 7/Whatever 1 or Blitz look to be the best combos both on paper and from what I observe in-game. Pure Kensais/Barbs are also nice.

[Balkas]

It isn't worth splashing Tempest I anymore. 3 feats is a pretty steep price to pay for the benefit that it provides.

I really like splashing 6 Paladin these days. Saves, extra DPS from DS and ES, extra Healing Amp/AC, and more importantly, Massive Hate Generation through Divine Righteousness.

With Sorcerors and Wizards being as powerful as they are these days, melee need to diversify and be able to hold a party role other than just DPS mana sponge.

[die]

It isn't worth splashing Tempest I anymore. 3 feats is a pretty steep price to pay for the benefit that it provides.

I really like splashing 6 Paladin these days. Saves, extra DPS from DS and ES, extra Healing Amp/AC, and more importantly, Massive Hate Generation through Divine Righteousness.

With Sorcerors and Wizards being as powerful as they are these days, melee need to diversify and be able to hold a party role other than just DPS mana sponge.

yes but you still get twf and Itwf, and the three feats dodge mobility and spring att are still nice for running after monsters and not missing much, ahh either way, im all about pure builds any way, too each thier own

[Thrudh]

My main melee is a Monster, but I never built him because he was "uber-DPS"...

I like the flexibility and the ton of feats... Allows me to run with the halfling dragonmarks, which synergize well with ranger levels (Devotion II, and I can take Maximize)

Also, manyshot with Bow Strength is useful sometimes. Ram's Might and Jump are also nice to have.

I'm not sure if Tempest I is worthwhile... but I like Dodge and Spring Attack, and since you get TWF and ITWF for free, it's not too expensive to fit in Tempest.

Haste Boost IV and Kensai/Power Surge means I do solid to awesome DPS. Just not uber DPS.

But you don't need uber-DPS to do very well at this game.

[Dark-Star]

You may want to check out the Helves Angel build (link in sig). It's a high burst DPS character built somewhat on a Monster chasis.

[Baahb3]

Did I miss this nerf? Last night I was switching between Wind and Fire stances and I could've sworn Wind was still faster.

Pretty sure he ment the 10% attack speed boost Tempest I used to give.

[Thrudh]

Pretty sure he ment the 10% attack speed boost Tempest I used to give.

It still gives around 6% more attacks than a non-Tempest I TWF right?

6% more DPS is still something.

[Chai]

It still gives around 6% more attacks than a non-Tempest I TWF right?

6% more DPS is still something.

Offhand attacks, which are 1/2 str mod.

Tempest is more gimped than people believe. The only main hand attacks the entire pre adds is 5% doublestrike at tier 3. /meh.

Helves angel is the new monster. It has AA manyshot as well as the same melee haste boosts.

[sigtrent]

Tempest/Ranger is not more the build for melee 1st Ranged 2nd. I notice the extra swings on my tempest II main and I like having the full array of ranged feats for when I want to pull my bow and manyshot. I also make some use of the Tempest AC outside of raid/epics which I do from time to time when helping level up other folks characters or just exploring new quests solo.

Ranger 6 also comes with rams might and favored enemies. Its not optimal like it was, but its no slouch.

[Sebushka]

only a tiny bit of brain is needed to take a wf build into a horc build, that's why nobody has bothered posting it

Hey I appreciate you being a ****...

Do you use lube or sandpaper when you are zerging your wank in Shroud?

On a higher note..

I appreciate the other responses and will do a little more research.
Appreciate the education and the help.

Thanks,

Happy Raiding

[~Big_Germ]

I personally have tr'd my toon back into the monster build as a wf. It is a viable build, this time around i will rock over 600hp and still crit in the 200's with my gs kopeshes!!! H-orc will give you a bit more str but hp runs this game!!!! To many people critizise the small percentages that mean nothing, if ur happy with your toon run with it. I didn't like dark monks till i made a h-orc so go figure!!!