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[TheMidnightMage]

Does Empower also effect the healing spells?

[Rusty_Can]

Does Empower also effect the healing spells?

Empower and Maximize affect all healing spells but Heal and Mass Heal.

Empower Healing affects them all.

[Tsuarok]

Empower/maximize effect all but heal and mass heal, which only empower healing improves. All three will effect the cures. They stack additively, so all 3 on gives 3x the healing for the (mass)cures.

[TheMidnightMage]

So why would I not want both remember the toons idea is to supplement and heal my brothers Wiz. I will be his healer/tank.

[TheMidnightMage]

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TTiinnyy Midnight
Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 382
Spell Points: 1813 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 11
Will: 10

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             17                 22                   22
Dexterity             9                  9                    9
Constitution         18                 18                   20
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom                6                  6                    6
Charisma             12                 12                   14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               1                  7                    2
Bluff                 1                  2                    2
Concentration         8                 28                   28
Diplomacy             1                  2                    2
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                  2                    2
Heal                 -2                 -2                   -2
Hide                 -1                 -1                   -6
Intimidate            1                  2                    4
Jump                  3                 13                    8
Listen               -2                 -2                   -2
Move Silently        -1                 -1                   -6
Open Lock            n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  0                    2
Search                0                  0                    0
Spot                 -2                 -2                   -2
Swim                  3                  6                   -4
Tumble               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Adamantine Body
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Immunities
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Bless
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Child of the Lord of Blades
Spell (1): Nightshield
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (4): Deathward
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Spell (5): Raise Dead
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Beloved of the Lord of Blades
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (4): Panacea
Spell (5): Spell Resistance
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (7): Greater Restoration
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (6): Heal
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (8): Holy Aura
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Leap Of Faith
Spell (7): Resurrection
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (9): Mass Heal
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting IV


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (9): True Resurrection
Enhancement: Favored Soul Greatsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Greatsword Specialization II


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Diety) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Adamantine
Spell (9): Summon Monster IX
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II

[Tsuarok]

while I still would personally exchange adam body or empower for IC: Slash, I think the build is solid and will be fun to play.

I say go with it.

[TheMidnightMage]

Thank You for the assistance in making a good build one final question would it be better to try to obtain Angel of Vengeance? is it that much better of a pre? One other thing how do the requirements for casting work into this? I thought divine uses Wis? Am i going to be able to cast everything without tomes or equipment?

[TheMidnightMage]

while I still would personally exchange adam body or empower for IC: Slash, I think the build is solid and will be fun to play.

I say go with it.

Later on in the progression I plan to use the Free Feat swap for just that change ADM to Slash ADM is for the lower levels. I have also heard and read that the DR that is provided through Enhancements is almost useless once you get to lvls 15-20 so i plan on swapping them just no0t sure for what yet.

[Cardtrick]

Later on in the progression I plan to use the Free Feat swap for just that change ADM to Slash ADM is for the lower levels. I have also heard and read that the DR that is provided through Enhancements is almost useless once you get to lvls 15-20 so i plan on swapping them just no0t sure for what yet.

You have heard wrong, at least for this build. One of the biggest reasons people like a Warforged pure Favored Soul Build is that at level 20 it gains DR 10/adamantine that stacks with the feat and enhancements, so it's possible to have a total static DR of 15/adamantine at cap. That's enough to drastically cut down on your healing needs, since it's being taken off virtually every hit. Combine that with your resists, which will vary from 30 to 40 without gear, warforged CON bonuses, and both the racial and FVS toughness lines and you get a high HP character who takes significantly less damage than almost anything else.

As for whether to take both Empower and Empower Healing . . . I still say there's no need to take both. You would be much better served by IC:Slashing. There are many enemies that are just much more efficient to melee down, and IC:Slashing makes a big difference in your melee effectiveness. Running all 3 metas costs so much extra SP that it's not remotely worth it in most situations. Often, you'll only have one of them turned on. In rare instances, two. If you have all three, you'll usually just be wasting SP and over-healing.

[Tsuarok]

Thank You for the assistance in making a good build one final question would it be better to try to obtain Angel of Vengeance? is it that much better of a pre? One other thing how do the requirements for casting work into this? I thought divine uses Wis? Am i going to be able to cast everything without tomes or equipment?

You have all the feats you need for AoV, so the only cost is AP. Try it out and if you don't like it, change it 3 days later.

I personally think it is very strong for this build. But don't stress if you don't end up liking it.

[TheMidnightMage]

Emp Healing only helps healing spells and emp helps all but the spells Heal and Mass Heal so would it be better to just take Emp and drop those two spells for something else? Or was that a miss post from earlier?

[~Sindaera]

Midnight,
I have a similar build capped. It's basically a mix of soul survivor and the Lord of the Blades built adjusted to my playstyle. Some stuff that was working well:
I kept Adamantine Body up to around lvl 15 and then dumped it. Reason is that I invested into UMD which is not as effective with that feat. While I agree that the adamantine body is still very useful on level 20 it depends on your playstyle.
Extend turned out to be very useful throughout leveling and even on level 20 - but that's more taste than required.
Empower is a waste. Never used it, never even had it. Rarely using empower healing and thinking of dropping it as mass heal usually does not need the extra healing power.
also don't dump balance. As someone else posted earlier: A Fvs laying on his back is a dead Fvs. screw jump if you have to. there are spells that can take care of it. Balance is a life saver you will need.

[Dasthug]

The ideal feat setup for a WF melee/heal FVS is probably along the lines of: PA, Toughness, imp crit: slash, Maximize, empower healing, quicken, extend. Extend would probably be the feat to drop for Adamantine body, but it can be hard to give up extended buffs once you get used to them.

[Cardtrick]

Empower is a waste. Never used it, never even had it

That may have been the case before U9, but not anymore. Even ignoring the benefits to Blade Barrier and the Cure spells, Empower would be worth taking if it did nothing but boost Divine Punishment.

An empowered, maximized, superior brilliance-d Divine Punishment does superb DPS. Against raid bosses, who you can count on to hit you or your champion enough to get at least a couple of stacks of the aura debuff, it hits for over 500 damage every 2 seconds -- that's 250+ DPS, on par with an average PUG melee, without you doing anything except casting a quick spell once every 15 seconds. You can sit there and shield block, or concentrate on healing, or swing a sword, and DP just continues ticking down. It's a great spell, and has no save, and so it's ideal for this sort of sword-swinging, wis-dumped favored soul -- and it's enhanced by Empower.