Acid + Good Burst vs. Holy + Acid Burst

[Yhatsu]

Hai guys,

Yesterday I was able to make my first minII greataxe with some help from my friends.
Though, I'm not exactly sure if I made the right decision. Some players told me that
acid, good burst and acid blast was better than holy, acid burst and acid blast. So
that's what I took.

Can somebody maybe tell me what's the difference and what is better for which
situation?


Thank you in advance.

[stille_nacht]

holy acid burst acid blast is about 3.5 points ahead vs. evil mobs

acid, good burst, acid blast is about 3.5 points ahead vs. neutral mobs

ill calculate it more exactly later, but generally people just go holy/acidbst/acidblst, becuase the vast majority of mobs are evil, besides elementals, there are hardly any neutral mobs at the level where you get a min II, in addition to this, many bosses (pit fiends, horned devils) have hi acid resistance, negating acid damage.

do you have barbarian crit rage? what is the effective multiplier on your axe?

[jwdaniels]

You will likely use your Min II as a boss beater a lot, and many of those bosses are immune to acid.

[Yhatsu]

I'm a lvl 20 barbarian, so I guess I do.
I only crit between 19-20.



So basically, I made the wrong decision..?

[Soleran]

Hai guys,

Yesterday I was able to make my first minII greataxe with some help from my friends.
Though, I'm not exactly sure if I made the right decision. Some players told me that
acid, good burst and acid blast was better than holy, acid burst and acid blast. So
that's what I took.

Can somebody maybe tell me what's the difference and what is better for which
situation?


Thank you in advance.

I would have done exactly what you did. If you are using the min2 as your general weapon good is better then holy as an all purpose weapon however you do lose a little damage vs evil mobs.

[sephiroth1084]

Min II, while not a bad general purpose weapon, most shines as a DR breaker. For that purpose Holy/Acid Burst is better since nearly every creature for which you'd use it is evil and either resistant or immune to acid.

[Kinerd]

Acid - 1d6 on every hit.
Holy - 2d6 on every hit against evil.

Acid Burst - 1d6 on every hit, 2d10 on every crit threat.
Good Burst - 1d6 on every hit against non-good, 4d6 on every crit threat against non-good.

Worth emphasizing in this context is that burst occurs on threat, so fortification is irrelevant.

Against neutral:
Acid/Good Burst: 2d6 * 19 + 4d6 * 2 = 161
Holy/Acid Burst: 1d6 * 19 + 2d10 * 2 = 88.5

Against evil:
Acid/Good Burst still = 161
Holy/Acid Burst: 3d6 * 19 + 2d10 * 2 = 221.5

Against evil, 30 resistance v. acid:
Acid/Good Burst: 1d6 * 19 + 4d6 * 2 = 94.5
Holy/Acid Burst: 2d6 * 19 = 133

And for grins, against good:
Acid/Good Burst: 1d6 * 19 = 66.5
Holy/Acid Burst: 1d6 * 19 + 2d10 * 2 = 88.5

[zukt]

If you were using a falchion, good burst would be better, because the damage from holy and good burst are nearly equal on wide crit weapons. On a greataxe, holy is preferred.

[Kahless_of_Cannith]

Wasn't acid resistance for many bosses significantly reduced in U9?

[nolaureltree000]

You will likely use your Min II as a boss beater a lot, and many of those bosses are immune to acid.

if youre referring to dragons like sully/horoth/harry im quite certain that thats not the case post u9. i dont know if they removed their acid resistances entirely or if they just lowered them, but they are effected by acid now. im not certain of the specifics.


i like the acid/good just so its an all around beater and i dont have to worry about swapping out as many weapons or carrying as many in my inventory. holy/acid is fine. tons of mobs in the game will take holy damage.

[Kinerd]

If you were using a falchion, good burst would be better, because the damage from holy and good burst are nearly equal on wide crit weapons. On a greataxe, holy is preferred.

If I may:

Against evil:
Acid/Good Burst: 2d6 * 19 + 3d6 * 6 = 196
Holy/Acid Burst: 3d6 * 19 + 1d10 * 6 = 232.5

Against evil, 30 acid resist:
Acid/Good Burst: 1d6 * 19 + 3d6 * 6 = 129.5
Holy/Acid Burst: 2d6 * 19 = 133

Whether the wider target palette of Good Burst is worth this gap in damage is a subjective matter, I am merely stating what the gap is.

Wasn't acid resistance for many bosses significantly reduced in U9?

I have heard that. I don't know what the number is now, but it has to be under 20 to have any effect on the calculations and under 6 to have any major effect, and the only thing it would change would be how far ahead exactly the holy/acid burst would be.

[Yhatsu]

Thanks for all the reactions. I'm using it as my regular weapon atm, so I guess for that purpose,
my choice isn't that worse. Though, I might concider to recreate it with Holy and Acid Burst when
I'm planning on making a LII.


Once again, thanks for all the answers.