UMD and you.

[karl_k0ch]

Despite having UMD as a class skill and being aware of the fact the Heal Scrolls are just that good, I actually did not bother with thinking about getting my UMD score up to reasonable high levels on my (currently level 15) rogue. Upon being asked "You are a rogue. Why don't you use scrolls to heal yourself?" in a curious, not angry fashion I started to think about how and if I can get heal scrolls working while leveling.

So, I am interested in what other rogue players do.

How much UMD gear do you have incorporated in your typical fighting setup?

This applies both to mid- and end-level gear. I know that there is a plethora of UMD-boosting items (Golden Cartouche, Big Top, Spyglass, GH clickie, GS +cha skill items, Head/Voice/Bucaneer, et al), but I am really interested in how many slots you dedicate to the goal of achieving that magic number 39.

[wootvenu]

My rogue has 38 including Gh, Guild ship buff, +3 umd delera necklace / GS item.

Rogues get tons of points to spend why not UMD?

When u r in a fight, derz no way u can scroll heal yourself. Let healers do their job

[DaSawks]

In a fight I will wear none. I do however carry 3 items that I will switch in when needed.

Golden Cartouche from Deleras +3
Epic cove ring +3 Stacking
Armor of Command +2 to all Charisma skills.

This will give me 8 to UMD which brings my Heal scroll success from 60% to 85-90%.

[Sarisa]

No full rogue, but I have two with rogue splashes.

My Wizard/Rogue has this as her permanently worn equipment:
23 Ranks
3 CHA mod
4 Greater Heroism
5 Seven Fingered Gloves (arcane dexterity as a side bonus)
3 Epic Tier 3 Spyglass (one of the best in slot for a wiz/rogue)
2 Good Luck slotted into the Spyglass
--
40
All of this UMD boosting equipment is great for a splashed caster as well, so it's easy to get the necessary UMD. I need 6 more Shrouds before I can make my Conc Opp accessory (made an HP item first).

While levelling, it was fairly easy just with the ranks, GH, and Cartouche to hit the UMD necessary to wand whip between battles efficiently. I used a Planar Gird to get GH early due to my delayed spell progression. I was not able to effectively heal scroll until 20, when I could put on the Spyglass. I also didn't have the Seven Fingered Gloves until recently, so I had to make do with swapping in a Cartouche for trying to hit Heal scrolls prior to 20.

My 16brd/2ftr/2rog Warchanter uses:
23 Ranks
6 CHA mod
4 Greater Heroism
--
33
Swap-ins
3 Cartouche
2 Head of Good Fortune
--
38
Someday when I have the spare ingredients, I'll make a Conc Opp SP item with +5 or +6 CHA skills for that character. Bards have tight equipment slots, so I can't really devote a lot of space to it. This is also my "trash" character, which I only pull out for EV6's and a few other raids.

This character was a bit easier to Heal scroll prior to 20, and I could also SP heal a bit between battles. I still fail on a 1, but once I get the Conc Opp SP item, I can avoid all swap-ins and still hit the magic 39.

[Sarisa]

Golden Cartouche from Deleras +3
Armor of Command +2 to all Charisma skills.

Note that these two are classed as the same type of bonus, so they don't stack. Command, Persuasion, Cartouche, Seven Fingered Gloves, and the like are competence bonuses; while the tier 3 Spyglass and the epic and non-epic Big Top are enhancement.

[Kmnh]

I can swap the spyglass in and hit 39 UMD whenever I need it. I usually have a bloodstone on that spot

[wootvenu]

Note that these two are classed as the same type of bonus, so they don't stack. Command, Persuasion, Cartouche, Seven Fingered Gloves, and the like are competence bonuses; while the tier 3 Spyglass and the epic and non-epic Big Top are enhancement.

Typo - corrected. Thanks

[karl_k0ch]

My rogue has 38 including Gh, Guild ship buff, +3 umd delera necklace and GS item.

Rogues get tons of points to spend why not UMD?

It's not a question at all if one should spend skill points for UMD. The question is also not if it is possible to get to 39 UMD on a rogue.
The question is: How do (and with which gear swaps, possibly) you get the other 15 points?

So you are wearing Cartouche and the +6 Cha skill item all the time?

As a side note: I am considering to make a cheap DT robe with +3 except Cha skills (Eldritch) and +6 Charisma (Tempest). This would allow me to save some larges while maintaining the same amount of gear swaps - provided I am not wearing a +6 Cha item constantly, which I am not planning to do.

For level 20, my rogue will have the current standing bonuses:
23 Ranks
1 past life
2 Skill mastery
4 GH
0 Charisma (9 base + 1 tome)
2 luck
----
32

Getting another +7 will not be hard at all - at most 2 swapping items will do, and with a +3 tome any +6 item (gs, DT described above, or Epic Big Top with Bunny Hat) will do.

[brzytki]

Mid-game, anything i can squeeze in if i really need to use Heal scrolls.

End-game:
Pure Assassin
23 ranks
5 CHA mod
2 Good Luck
1 Skill Mastery
1 Sneak of Shadows
---
32 Standing
1 Ship CHA shrine
4 GH
---
37 Buffed

If i want no-fail, I just hit human versatility for 5 more or swap in 7F Gloves. Basically, I could get 95% on all scrolls if i swapped in eSpyglass or eTop too. I haven't bothered to craft CHA skills item on this toon since i knew it would not benefit me much at end game and i would not have a spare slot in my equipment.

Pure Acrobat
23 Ranks
3 CHA mod
2 Good Luck
1 Skill Mastery
---
29 Standing
1 Ship CHA shrine
4 GH
---
34 Buffed

Unfortunately, no CHA skill item or 7F Gloves yet, swapping in Cartouche if i need UMD.

[Spoprockel]

On my rogue i'm usually sitting at 36 without guild buffs or GH

23 ranks
2 ring of lies (charisma +4)
3 skill focus UMD
6 GS air guard gloves
1 rogue skill mastery
1 rogue past life

So i basically spent 3 feats (2 of them for other reasons aswell) and use 2 items (also for 3 clicks of haste and for bluff/diplo/haggle) to boost my umd to 100% on heal scrolls.

If somehow my GH gets debuffed repeatedly i may replace my bloodstone with the epic T3 spyglass from the cove event.

[destiny4405]

with gh i need only to swap 7fingered gloves for a no fail heal scroll. i have 2 good luck slotted in epic boots of corr. i also have +6 cha skill item, spyglass and +8 cha tod ring, HV III for skills, but i only use those if Great Tele is needed

when i tr'ed, i think 11th or 13th lvl was the magic number when i could use heal scroll with no fail. cant remember now.

[Emili]

Running Myara (my assasin) hot - total damage then she's 31 umd, When I cool her down she is at 40.

The nine in difference is two items (switch bloodstone for spyglass and ravager ring for calitomes - her other ToD ring is Whisper so really switching a set, had I gotten those rings in a different order I would had opted only for ravager and calitomes instead). So am losing seeker 6 and imho the best ToD set in terms of damage output, while in no-fail heal mode...

I do not use a shroud crafted cha skill item on her but I suppose if I wished I could push her to beyond 50 in scope after buffing and such but that would be bloody silly to do now wouldn't it ...

I do use a GS stalemate (45hp +6wis) item supporting dex str and con skills. The cove's epic spyglass is one of the nicest items for anyone likeing umd to come down the pike, toss +2 luck on it and is actually a +5 UMD item, 20 skill search/spot and +2 exceptional int ... it's a skill build's dream.

I am a long time bard builder ... where UMD thrives as a skill just due their synergy with cha skills. My take on such is however this although my bards can achive way above the 60's standing ... 40 is perfection, 44 is nice <- a typical spell singer bard stands about that at lvl 14 to 15 and at lvl 20 they're in the 50's, I never run with much more than so - pushing beyond that in overkill matters not and wasted scope.

[RandomKeypress]

I can hit 50 UMD if I include rogue skill boost. That's also with the swap of 1 item. Need 7-fingered gloves at some poitn though.
With no ship buffs and no GH, I can no-fail heal scrolls with a single item swap.
Standard lineup: (all from memory - not certain I've got it all right)
23 - ranks
1 - Natural Cha
3 - +6 cha item
3 - Bunny Hat
2 - Good Luck
3 - Skill Focus: UMD
2 - Rogue Skill Mastery

37 Points

4 - GH
3 - Epic Spyglass (item swap)
1 - Ship +2 Cha Buff
5 - Rogue Skill Boost

50 Points

Additional possible points:

6 - GS Exceptional Cha Skill Boost (actually have +2 on a spare set of DT armor, but seldom wear it)
1 - Exceptional Cha (doubt I'd ever bother)
2 - Swapping bunny hat for 7-fingered gloves
3 - House D skill pot
1 - Store stat pot
1 - Yugo Pot (not worth it)

64 Points

Don't recall if House D stat spot stacks with everything else - if so would make it 65

[Yazzman]

Human TRed pure assassin

23 rank
1 past life
1 skill mastery
3 SF: UMD
3 cha skills on DT robe
2 good luck on epic CC ring
4 GH
---
37 UMD
+ on switch
3 epic spyglass
3 cha skills GS haste clickie
---
43 UMD (enough for non-fail greater restore )

[Furare]

My rogue has good UMD (23 + 4 Cha + 2 skill mastery + 2 good luck + 3 spyglass + 4 greater heroism + 5 rogue skill boost = 43). Unfortunately for my scroll-healing ability, I have a Concentration score of 12 (6 Con mod + 6 greensteel exceptional) and a tendency to wear Madstone Boots.

My rogue/paladin (L18) has even better UMD potential (21 + 8 Cha + 3 cartouche + 1 voice + 4 greater heroism + 3 human versatility = 40 - for an effortless 42 at L20). Her eventual UMD score will be:

23 ranks
9 charisma
3 golden cartouche
3 epic big top
2 head of good fortune
6 exceptional cha skills
4 greater heroism
3 human versatility: skills
---
53

With 53 UMD you can 100% use any scroll in the game, I believe. (A L9 - i.e. CL17 - scroll ought to have UMD 52.)

If I got the seven-fingered gloves, I wouldn't even need the human skill boost anymore.

[Gkar]

Keep in mind as well that heal scrolls aren't your only option. Cure mod, serious, or crit wands work well and are cheaper and lighter than pots to carry.

[Gkar]

My rogue has 38 including Gh, Guild ship buff, +3 umd delera necklace / GS item.

Rogues get tons of points to spend why not UMD?

When u r in a fight, derz no way u can scroll heal yourself. Let healers do their job

Garbage. Of course you can scroll heal in a fight, its just tougher (wands are a better choice in combat if you have less than perfect UMD).

As for let the healer do their job, what makes you assume every group has a healer? What makes you think that healer doesn't have someone else they need to look after at that moment? It's a bad player that isn't prepared to look after themselves when they have the ability.

[Emili]

With 53 UMD you can 100% use any scroll in the game, I believe. (A L9 - i.e. CL17 - scroll ought to have UMD 52.)

This is my point to the OP is not to go for overkill... The highest scrolls you may buy over the counter in the game are umd 44, once in a blue moon you might collect enough level 9 spell scrolls (umd 52) but is ridiculas to consider such. When I first switched my old elf bard over to spell singer ... she was way in the 60's buffed up, I quickly swaped feats and toned it down - and that is a first life bard. Same thing with a rogue... I'm sure I could breach 60's easy on one too - even first life, but why bother. Just take to about 40-44 range and that's all you'll ever be asked to cover - ever. Skill focus: UMD imho is a good feat for a fighter. I'd never put that on a rogue.

[RJBsComputer]

Well lets look at the numbers -

Restoration UMD 32
Cure Crit Wounds UMD 32

Spell Resistance UMD 36
Teleportion UMD 36
Raise Dead UMD 36

Heal UMD 40
Greater Heroism UMD 40
True Seeing UMD 40

Greater Teleportion UMD 44

Now a UMD 37 standing is easy to reach for a pure Rogue or Bard. Now just add the Golden Cartouche from Delera's and you are able to hit most, UMD 40 or higher, if not all of these scrolls on 18 or less on a D20. Without the Golden Cartouche, just drink a Heroism Potion or have a friendly caster give you a GH. Now add in a Golden Cartouche with the buffs and you are sitting pretty.

[Emili]

Garbage. Of course you can scroll heal in a fight, its just tougher (wands are a better choice in combat if you have less than perfect UMD).

As for let the healer do their job, what makes you assume every group has a healer? What makes you think that healer doesn't have someone else they need to look after at that moment? It's a bad player that isn't prepared to look after themselves when they have the ability.

From a fighting perspecting however you're not fighting if you're scroll reading or wand whipping. IN actual toe to toe is quick to drink a pot... if you need a ton hp in a shot - then you by rights back off and then use a scroll.