Stormreach Navy S.E.A.L

[Ngha]

Few things out of the way now:

1. This is (supposed to be) an optimized flavor build.

2. This build only uses Heavy Repeating Crossbows after level 2

3. This build (is supposed to) fill a DPS slot.

Now It took me a while because I've...never done a range based character, so I decided to make one with a modern soldier as his basis.

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Stormreach Micro Marine 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Male 
(7 Fighter / 7 Rogue / 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 334 
Spell Points: 65 

BAB: 18/18/23/2828 
Fortitude: 16 
Reflex: 19 
Will: 8 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(28 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength           10                12 
Dexterity          17                22 
Constitution       14                16 
Intelligence       16                23 
Wisdom              8                10 
Charisma            8                10 

Tomes Used 
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            7              17 
Bluff              3              23 
Concentration      2              4 
Diplomacy          -1             1 
Disable Device     7              33 
Haggle             3              4 
Heal               0              1 
Hide               7              35 
Intimidate         -1             1 
Jump               -1             7 
Listen             0              3 
Move Silently      7              33 
Open Lock          7              27 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             3              8 
Search             7              31 
Spot               4              24 
Swim               -1             0 
Tumble             7              10 
Use Magic Device   3              23 
 
Level 1 (Rogue) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 2 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow 
 
Level 3 (Ranger) 
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead 
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot 
 
Level 4 (Ranger) 
 
Level 5 (Rogue) 
 
Level 6 (Rogue) 
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Reload 
 
Level 7 (Rogue) 
 
Level 8 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons 
 
Level 9 (Ranger) 
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot 
 
Level 10 (Ranger) 
 
Level 11 (Rogue) 
 
Level 12 (Rogue) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 13 (Ranger) 
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider 
 
Level 14 (Ranger) 
 
Level 15 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot 
 
Level 16 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons 
 
Level 17 (Fighter) 
 
Level 18 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Precision 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons 
 
Level 19 (Rogue) 
 
Level 20 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III 
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I 
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II 
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I 
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I 
Enhancement: Kensei Repeating Heavy Crossbow Mastery I 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I 
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I 
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Halfling Fear Resistance I 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III 
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I 
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Ranger Deepwood Sniper I 
Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III 
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I 
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II 
Enhancement: Improved Hide I 
Enhancement: Improved Hide II 
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I 
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II 
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I 
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock II 
Enhancement: Improved Spot I 
Enhancement: Improved Spot II 
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III 
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Any way to keep the flavor and pump more DPS out of him?

Any improvements you would make to make the flavor taste better to others end game?

Any swapping around of leveling order/feats/etc?

Any other advice/suggestions/improvements?

*EDIT* Changed the build, thanks to the guys who gave me good advice.

[Ngha]

Oh, I took rogue 8 for the improved uncanny dodge boost instead of 8 fighter, should I change that and get shot on the run?

[Velexia]

I'm not sure I see where the Navy Seal part comes in (at a glance it doesn't feel very Navy Seal)... But looking at the build, I'm not sure I would play it. For fun or otherwise..

[Missing_Minds]

Few things out of the way now:

1. This is (supposed to be) an optimized flavor build.

2. This build only uses Heavy Repeating Crossbows after level 2

3. This build (is supposed to) fill a DPS slot.

2 and 3 are contradictions. Sorry, but ranged does not equate to large number DPS in this game.

Also, you should fit in deepwood sniper.

[Ngha]

2 and 3 are contradictions. Sorry, but ranged does not equate to large number DPS in this game.

Also, you should fit in deepwood sniper.

Has DWS

[AndyD47]

Based on a modern soldier with STR as a dump stat?
You can't swim all that far with skinny arms,nor can you throw a grenade far enough to not kill yourself.

I'd guess more along the lines of 20 rogue levels(maybe a fighter splash) with a penchant for blowing things up to be more soldier-esque,but that's just me I guess.


As far as the build,you really don't need toughness three times.
You've got 2 extra feats with just the one toughness so it might be worth it to you to have some sort of melee option.
Maybe get a UMD skill focus just to get a little closer to heal scrolls and such.
I've had a lot of fun with Sap and get use out of it personally...might be worth taking,just to keep things off of you.

8 rogue doesn't get you much,7 gets you an extra sneak attack dice so that might be a good stopping point.
7 fighter is combat tactics enhancements and another toughness enhancement if I remember right,might be worth it to you if you're worried about hit points.

[Ngha]

Based on a modern soldier with STR as a dump stat?
You can't swim all that far with skinny arms,nor can you throw a grenade far enough to not kill yourself.

Too bad grenades here are dex huh?

I'd guess more along the lines of 20 rogue levels(maybe a fighter splash) with a penchant for blowing things up to be more soldier-esque,but that's just me I guess.

so, a rogue with no DD?

As far as the build,you really don't need toughness three times.
You've got 2 extra feats with just the one toughness so it might be worth it to you to have some sort of melee option.
Maybe get a UMD skill focus just to get a little closer to heal scrolls and such.
I've had a lot of fun with Sap and get use out of it personally...might be worth taking,just to keep things off of you.

no melee, have UMD, an item will put me over 30 easily

8 rogue doesn't get you much,7 gets you an extra sneak attack dice so that might be a good stopping point.
7 fighter is combat tactics enhancements and another toughness enhancement if I remember right,might be worth it to you if you're worried about hit points. I'll actually test this real quick

Otherwise, you guys get -1 for failure to pay attention to detail.

[AndyD47]

You do know that there are grenades in DDO right?
Not to mention throwing in most every system I've played was governed by strength.
That's why I figure an almost pure rogue(or a small fighter splash) for a special forces type soldier,you get free repeaters and the ability to play with the stinks and bangs without being an actual arcane.

Also,where did I say anything about not taking DD in my vision of a modern soldier rogue,most folks I met were pretty handy to have around when something needed fixing (or breaking for that matter).
It'd be basically playing a technically proficient firebug,sounds like a fun to me.

I suggested skill focus:umd just so you can get up to no-fail heal scrolls easier and you have more than enough spare feats for it.
If you don't feel like you need a 39 umd that's on you,but it'd be a big help and step towards healing in later game content when your wand whipping just won't cut it.
Really,have you thought about going elf for AA?
Maybe switch things around so you use a bow,between manyshot and sneak attack you should put out some kind of nice damage.

On a side note,how exactly are those two extra toughness helping your dps?

[Ngha]

You do know that there are grenades in DDO right? yeah just couldn't figure out how to focus on repeater and still use them effectively, but since someone suggested halfling I think I figured it out.

Also,where did I say anything about not taking DD in my vision of a modern soldier rogue,most folks I met were pretty handy to have around when something needed fixing (or breaking for that matter). Was actually a joke about rogues critically failing their DD roll, guess I'm the only one who thought it was funny
It'd be basically playing a technically proficient firebug,sounds like a fun to me.indeed

Really,have you thought about going elf for AA?
Maybe switch things around so you use a bow,between manyshot and sneak attack you should put out some kind of nice damage.I did actually spend about 30 minutes thinking it over, however repeaters feel more m16 to me

On a side note,how exactly are those two extra toughness helping your dps?I meant I could take two toughness instead of three to improve my dps. by switching from human to halfling.

I'm currently working on an alternate, 7rogue/7fighter/6ranger Mechanic/kensei/deepwood sniper that had only a little less hp but better overall. I'll edit the OP after I'm done playing rummy.

[AndyD47]

I got ya.
I think you'll have a lot of fun with the synergy between DWS and Mechanic,don't have it in me to be a pew-pew but that looks like fun.
Have you thought about dropping the fighter for more rogue or ranger levels?

[Ngha]

oh, here accuracy is dex for thrown weapons, damage is str. So I think I'll just keep str as a dump.

I have though about it (mechanic 2, better sneak attack), but If I do the consistant repeater damage will be less, and I don't consider any soldier(save those that fail their save against fear in combat) to not be able to bring the pain no matter what.

[toughguyjoe]

I think one of the main problems I have with this line of thinking is that it's an "Optimized" "Flavor" build.

If I can ever wrap my head around that, I'll give you the advice that leaks out afterwards.

[Ngha]

I think one of the main problems I have with this line of thinking is that it's an "Optimized" "Flavor" build.

If I can ever wrap my head around that, I'll give you the advice that leaks out afterwards.

lol, yeah I know, thanks man.

[Sillk]

Have you considered Half-Elf Monk 12/ Ranger 6 / Fighter 2?

You could have Arcane Archer (Elven), Ninja Spy, Ranger's Many Shot, Monk's Hand to Hand Combat, and even Camoflage as a Ranger Spell.

Use Mountain Stance III for the extra + to your crits, Zen Archery, TWF/ITWF for free, etc....

Would fit your theme and probably be effective too.

You could swap out the Fighter 2 for Rogue... but I wouldn't.

[Ngha]

Have you considered Half-Elf Monk 12/ Ranger 6 / Fighter 2?

You could have Arcane Archer (Elven), Ninja Spy, Ranger's Many Shot, Monk's Hand to Hand Combat, and even Camoflage as a Ranger Spell.

Use Mountain Stance III for the extra + to your crits, Zen Archery, TWF/ITWF for free, etc....

Would fit your theme and probably be effective too.

You could swap out the Fighter 2 for Rogue... but I wouldn't.

f2p build. secondly, thats not even close to the flavor I want to taste. read the OP again.

[Ngha]

*points at Thread* Rise from your grave... *end pointing*


Anyways, build is now up to level 6 I believe with minimal gear (used this build to farm up some TP on another server). So far his DPS matches a few kensei builds of same level even though he hasn't got a prestige yet. Can get all traps for quests his level on elite no problem and some 2 levels up. Will report on build again after he gets first prestige.

[Blank_Zero]

Otherwise, you guys get -1 for failure to pay attention to detail.

Wanna know something funny? You don't have enough rep to neg anybody

Also, repeater rogues aren't dps, they aren't endgame viable, and as far as flavor goes, this build is no SEAL.

But good luck with it. I'm sure its very well thought out.

[Ngha]

Wanna know something funny? You don't have enough rep to neg anybody

Also, repeater rogues aren't dps, they aren't endgame viable, and as far as flavor goes, this build is no SEAL.

But good luck with it. I'm sure its very well thought out.

I don't -rep, I -respect... and you just lost one.

[k1ngp1n]

I don't -rep, I -respect... and you just lost one.

I just have this... feeling... that no one here really cares when you carry an attitude like you do.

[Velexia]

From a Thematic standpoint, I'd go 12 Rogue- Assassin II. After that I would consider Ranger, Fighter, or Wizard for the other levels.

Main Stats

Strength
Constitution
Intelligence
Dexterity
Charisma

(In order of importance)