Savant Forms

[Rian]

here's a crazy idea, not sure if it's been thought of before, it probably has, but how about Savant Forms? Similar to the PM forms but actually do things for DPS, not DCs.

A savant combat form for Savant II

DR equivelant to level/2
Minor version of Earthgrab/Incineration/Knockdown/Crushing wave on melee attacks
BAB equal to level
+? to str and con
<other effects>
treated as elemental
Duration?

A savant caster form for Savant III

DR equivelant to (level/2)+5
Earthgrab/Incernation/Airguard/Crushingwave guard
stacking 25% to damage? 15%?
+to saves
treated as elemental
+cha and (con or hps?)

Obviously it can be put in more reasonable outlines, but it's just an idea to build off of.

[Phidius]

The DR\ alone would be overpowered, let alone the full BaB and bonuses to attributes.

I don't think Turbine wants sorcs to be melee DPS... not that I'd object if they did.

[Rian]

Well, I was just supplying ideas so that we as a community could come up with a fair addition to sorcs. The DR could obviously be lowered to DR5/- or something, or put both combat and casting at Savant III

As a Savant we should be able to take what we've mastered about our master element and gain benefits more as an elemental, sure the single SLA are great, but there's still more they should be able to do.

A lot of people think PMs are overpowered, my dad and I were thinking instead of nerfing PMs, bring Savants up to the same level. one is DC, the other is DPS.

[Phidius]

1. We as a community could mint pure gold, and Turbine would most likely treat it like dung. Too many examples from the past to list here. There have been a few exception, I think.

2. You seem to be focused on melee DPS and perks, not on spell DPS. Aside from the stacking 25% damage for tier 2, of course.

I guess I'm not very interested in contributing more than criticism.

[Rian]

1. We as a community could mint pure gold, and Turbine would most likely treat it like dung. Too many examples from the past to list here. There have been a few exception, I think.

2. You seem to be focused on melee DPS and perks, not on spell DPS. Aside from the stacking 25% damage for tier 2, of course.

I guess I'm not very interested in contributing more than criticism.

contribution is contribution, I've always been on focused on DPS, it's a little difficult for me to focus purely on casters, I like hitting things and while they may completely ignore it, it's still worth coming up with ideas and seeing how they compare with how other people would balance it. No idea gets anywhere with just saying they'll ignore it anyways.


Ok, scrap combat form idea, bad idea to start with

Savant II
Elemental Frenzy
All <element savant> spells have a chance to add a DoT

Savant III
Elemental form
stacking 20% increase to spell damage (of their element)
<scrapable>
elemental qualities, treated as elemental of their savant line
Maybe give them similar benefits like earth has higher hps, con and DR
Water gets a freezing spray, fire gets aura of flame, and Air gets air guard (Never really liked wind dance to begin with)
</scrapable>


more ideas? suggestions? critizism?