/sigh

[aggravated]

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in the age of multiple tr's and completions running around. why oh why would anyone want to run an "only lvl 20 shroud" even on elite u should open it up to 19s or even 18s. its pathetic. we were doin on elite when the cap was 16. i realize that the folks that put up lfms like this probably dont read the forums, but incase they do happen across it today. grow a set.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Because we are also playing in a day and age where people want a lot of loot to decon, soon to be TR's want tomes and gear ready for TR time, and just in general people want completions as quickly and painlessly as possible.....you can't really fault them for that.

As many are always quick to point out...make ur own LFM.

[aggravated]

so ud rather wait around for a full group of 20s do u can do a run of the mill raid on elite. ur logic doesnt add up. there is little to no differnace from 18-20 when u already have wings. just fill it and go. as for the make ur own LFM. i did. dont u worry bout me

[Rdonaccount]

Because we are also playing in a day and age where people want a lot of loot to decon, soon to be TR's want tomes and gear ready for TR time, and just in general people want completions as quickly and painlessly as possible.....you can't really fault them for that.

As many are always quick to point out...make ur own LFM.

except:

(1) the quest leader was only 19. When you put up an lfm demanding a level range that you aren't even in, you fail.
(2) quick and painless completions come from just accepting whoever, not letting an lfm stand for longer than a shroud run even takes while playing 20 questions with potential applicants.
(3) in this age of multiple TRs, lots of lvl 17-18s out there who are significantly more powerful than first life lvl 20s. cutting off applicants based on not being level 20 would be counter productive towards finding capable members.

[LordPiglet]

There's still a lot of under geared people running normal shroud. I know an elite failed earlier today

[nolaureltree000]

because sometimes shroud PUGs on normal fail.

[Teen]

I love how you schooled him/her in the tells lmao and it's not epic it's elite lolol.

[Nattyboh]

except:

(1) the quest leader was only 19. When you put up an lfm demanding a level range that you aren't even in, you fail.
(2) quick and painless completions come from just accepting whoever, not letting an lfm stand for longer than a shroud run even takes while playing 20 questions with potential applicants.
(3) in this age of multiple TRs, lots of lvl 17-18s out there who are significantly more powerful than first life lvl 20s. cutting off applicants based on not being level 20 would be counter productive towards finding capable members.

^this^

Elite shrouds are easy with the right people (not level based, i'm talking players here). Just did another last night and we zerged it almost as much as our normal runs. We had atleast one 17 in group, and definately other non 20s.

Edit: LOL at Zonixx's Trade chat, dude's always pushin his GS's =P

[vVAnjilaVv]

Hmmm...I'm looking at you chat menu and it looks as if after pleading your case to him he did invite you and you then declined.

Maybe had you joined and explained your logic to him he would have changed the level bracket.

Sorry but it looks like you got a bit upset about the initial LFM and instead of maybe being inspirational and changing this persons train of thought to what you deemed more appropriate you needed to shove his nose in it.

I'm just really wondering who had the worse attitude here.

It was a level 20 only LFM to begin with....what I am wondering is why you even bothered trying to join...or were you not trying to join and simply trying to "correct" him?

[vVAnjilaVv]

(2) quick and painless completions come from just accepting whoever

While I can agree with much of what you said...this statement is way way way off.

[aggravated]

It was a level 20 only LFM to begin with....what I am wondering is why you even bothered trying to join...or were you not trying to join and simply trying to "correct" him?

im a tr. im lookin for xp. elite raids provide this. why do you think i tried to join the lfm?

Because we are also playing in a day and age where people want a lot of loot to decon, soon to be TR's want tomes and gear ready for TR time, and just in general people want completions as quickly and painlessly as possible.

lol the loot thing from ur first post. if u want completions for cleansing stone then u run normal. same for tomes. plz get a clue before u post.

Sorry but it looks like you got a bit upset about the initial LFM and instead of maybe being inspirational and changing this persons train of thought to what you deemed more appropriate you needed to shove his nose in it.

I'm just really wondering who had the worse attitude here.

i dont have the time or patience to beg somebody to let me into their failshroud just to take the time to explain why they are setting themselves up for failure. the reasons are very clear to anybody thats played the game longer than a month. tr's make the game cake. if u NEED all 20s in the group, then maybe u shouldnt be runnin the raid.

[vVAnjilaVv]

i dont have the time or patience to beg somebody to let me into their failshroud just to take the time to explain why they are setting themselves up for failure. the reasons are very clear to anybody thats played the game longer than a month. tr's make the game cake. if u NEED all 20s in the group, then maybe u shouldnt be runnin the raid.

LOL...well this certainly tells me how you expect to be treated......anyways...I leave it at that...you are ceratinly not worth getting forum infractions over ......the irony in this statement is so present tho you could make thousands of swords with it.

[BOgre]

i dont have the time or patience to beg somebody to let me into

But you DID take the time. Why bother doing that if you were just going to decline? You linked your gear, he let you in. I'm not seeing your point at all. Bad attitude is bad attitude. Here's a thought: unclick the checkbox for 'Show not eligible.' You won't be tempted to rain on everyone's parade.

[SirValentine]

While I can agree with much of what you said...this statement is way way way off.

Well, I'm not going to comment on the "painless" part, but in my experience, taking the first 5 or 11 to hit my LFM makes for a faster completion time then getting a perfect party composition. For example, fill in 1 minute and spend 19 minutes in quest, 20 total, or get perfect party in 10 minutes and spend 15 minutes in quest, 25 total.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Well, I'm not going to comment on the "painless" part, but in my experience, taking the first 5 or 11 to hit my LFM makes for a faster completion time then getting a perfect party composition. For example, fill in 1 minute and spend 19 minutes in quest, 20 total, or get perfect party in 10 minutes and spend 15 minutes in quest, 25 total.

Yeah I am a bit jaded on the pug thing after F2P went live I guess. I do notice when people do more difficult settings and/or harder quests/raids....they can be quite picky about who they will take.....all it takes sometime is one or two newbs/noobs/griefers to ruin a run.

[moops]

Well, I'm not going to comment on the "painless" part, but in my experience, taking the first 5 or 11 to hit my LFM makes for a faster completion time then getting a perfect party composition. For example, fill in 1 minute and spend 19 minutes in quest, 20 total, or get perfect party in 10 minutes and spend 15 minutes in quest, 25 total.

LOL--15--this is Sarlona, those people that wait for what they believe to be perfect, run 35-45 min shrouds.

Any exeperienced person would know that this guys LFM shows he is not an experienced leader. I would never join an LFM like this, it spells time consuming and possibly expensive to me.

The horrible shroud pugs Ive joined--even the ones where the leader waited 15 mins to get "their" ideal group--have been bad because the leader never led. Even tho we all can sleepwalk through this, it is precisely because of this that a leader needs to give a few reminders, and some general direction--and if something unexpected happens, they need to actually be able to direct things.

You know, like when doing an elite shroud you make sure the healers don't heal on top of each other--such a simple thing, but needs to sorta talked about or they will run out of sp and prob since they are a pug refuse to take a pot and prob not even carry scrolls.

But yes, we did an elite 16 - 19 in 25 mins a couple months ago with 3 or 4 casters. With caster SLAs, and More Divines learning that they can use their SP for DPS since Divine punishment came out--it's just crazy to do a 20/20 shroud.

[Hendrik]

Kobold still hates you!

[jwdaniels]

Is it really worth the effort to screen shot the lfm and come to the forums to complain about it in the name of efficiency?

[stille_nacht]

Well, I'm not going to comment on the "painless" part, but in my experience, taking the first 5 or 11 to hit my LFM makes for a faster completion time then getting a perfect party composition. For example, fill in 1 minute and spend 19 minutes in quest, 20 total, or get perfect party in 10 minutes and spend 15 minutes in quest, 25 total.

^^^^ especially on khyber, just picking up the first 11 that click is fine, and usually doesnt even take much longer than a "perfect" composition (like, maybe 5 min longer), not even factoring in waiting time. (in fact, i tend to notice the PuGs with 3 wizards go faster than PuGs limiting it to 2 or 1) But I gather that other servers seem to have worse pugging then we do...

[gingie]

(1) the quest leader was only 19. When you put up an lfm demanding a level range that you aren't even in, you fail.

I myself have done this, though not on shroud. Especially in lowbie quests, you generally know what quests can be run with a couple people two or 3 levels below quest and the rest of the party at level and which ones can be run with everyone a little below level. I wont hesitate to run, say Xorian Cypher at 7 if I can get three or 4 9's to come along with me, and I won't hesitate to be one of those 9's in a party with one or two 7's a few levels later.

Specifically for shroud I usually post 17-20, but will be take one or 2 16's along. I don't know everybody well enough to know if they are Tr'ed and won't Myddo them to check gear. I usually assume they are ungeared and the rest of us can pick up for them if they are lacking, and they gotta get their shrouds in to get the better gear anyways.