Hello, I have decided to come back to DDO after a pretty extended break.
I want to play a rouge but still be able to dish out some decent DPS.
I will be playing with a group of players most of the time when using this build.
The reason that I have no enhancements until level 4 because I use veteran status.
Thanks in advance for all comments/critiques
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.3 (Pre-Release) DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male (20 Rogue) Hit Points: 266 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 8 Reflex: 16 Will: 5 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 16 20 21 Dexterity 15 15 18 Constitution 13 14 14 Intelligence 12 12 14 Wisdom 8 8 8 Charisma 9 9 9 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 6 27 27 Bluff -1 -1 5 Concentration 1 2 2 Diplomacy -1 -1 -1 Disable Device 5 25 25 Haggle 3 22 22 Heal -1 -1 -1 Hide 2 4 12 Intimidate -1 -1 -1 Jump 7 28 28 Listen -1 -1 -1 Move Silently 6 27 36 Open Lock 6 27 27 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 1 2 2 Search 5 25 25 Spot 3 22 22 Swim 3 5 5 Tumble 6 27 27 Use Magic Device 3 22 22 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Haggle (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Scimitar Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Cold Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Electric Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Fire Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Sonic Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Improved Hide I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Improved Hide II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Cheat Death Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
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Thread: Strength Rouge Build
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05-28-2011, 02:55 PM #1Community Member
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Strength Rouge Build
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05-28-2011, 03:00 PM #2Community Member
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Looks like you might have enough rouge there - which lipstick to compliment it?
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05-28-2011, 03:00 PM #3Community Member
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Xeryus Rouge is considered the strongest. You can get some off of Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Xeryus-Rouge-G.../dp/B000C213Q6
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05-28-2011, 03:20 PM #4Community Member
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for scimmys go half elf with fighter dilettante and go from there. Get more choices for marital weapons.
And rouge is very appealing for a rogue
also the capstone is cheat death or deadly shadow, cannot choose both. Faster sneaking is a luxury enhancement and not needed really (nice to have but not needed) pour the ap in a different area.Last edited by Winter_storm; 05-28-2011 at 03:24 PM.
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05-28-2011, 03:42 PM #5Community Member
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Originally Posted by The_Metal_Monster
Well there's your problem, right there!
By going into this thinking rogues are low dps will cause you to fail. Right off the bat. Any moderately build TWF Assassin rogue will be high end dps. Everyone goes on about raid boss fortification, but there are so many ways past that now and 99% of the game is against trash mobs. (Opportinust has 10% chance to bypass fortification, FvS AoV debuff has a 5xstacking 10% fortification debuff, for a -50% fort)
So get the notion out of your head that rogues are inferior dps and build it just like any other melee dps class. Just remember that 2/3 of your damage will come from class features and enhancements, and you won't be as reliant on strength to deal damage, like every other melee.
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Apart from the 'rouge' spelling, there are some serious mistakes on the feats selection imo, i gathered them here for an outlook :
Feat: (Selected) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Scimitar
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
* TWF but no ITWF / GTWF.... those 3 feats are the core of any TWF build
* No Power Attack ???
* You can UMD master's touch scrolls if you want to use scimitars. The only proficiency feat you may find usefull is khopesh.
* Slippery mind is pretty much useless (allows you a second roll for which you have to roll a 20, yeepee! ), Skill Mastery has more use by far.
* TWD is... 100% useless unless you dedicace your build to go high AC, and it doesn't seem to be the case.
* OTWF is ok if you have too many feats, +2 to-hit on a rogue is never bad especially in epics now that helpless != auto-hit
Basically the core feats for most rogues are :
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
PA
IC:<weapon type>
Toughness
That's 6 feats so you have 2 more on a human to play with. You may also consider Quick Draw (about 4% dps increase on bosses when you're chaining haste boosts)
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05-28-2011, 04:03 PM #7
And as much haste boost as you can fit in (which at cap should be all of it Originally Posted by Malky
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05-28-2011, 04:23 PM #8Community Member
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As Malky said. Too many toughness feats, dump TWD, get ITWF, GTWF. Also, khopesh is a better weapon overall than scimitar but the scimitar does compete.
Have a WF str 20 rogue Assasin III with base 36 str before ship and love em.
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I just updated the build, but for some reason, even though I met the prerequisites for it, the builder wouldn't let me take ITWF so I couldn't take GTWF.
Those would go in for two of the toughnesses.
Other than that, any comments/critique-ings?
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(+4) Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Cold Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Electric Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue 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Rogue Assassin I Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow Enhancement: Improved Hide III Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV
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The reason you are having issues qualifying for ITWF and GTWF--need a base dex of 17.
You just need to eat a +2 dex tome @lvl7. That will solve your problem.Bjornegar, Bloodtrail, Chronogear, Clarkk, Flied, Nugente, Soulgear, Ssmooth, Throrin
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I think I know what's your problem. Originally Posted by The_Metal_Monster
Ability raises through enhancements don't count to meet the prerequisites, you need to use a +2 Dex tome to qualifies the minimum requirements, or spend 2 level up abilities raises in Dex. Originally Posted by Delssar
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05-28-2011, 07:24 PM #12Community Member
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Oh, ok, thanks.
I didn't know that enhancements don't count towards prerequisites.
I fixed it though.
Would it be an effective assassin build now?
Thank you for all of the help everyone.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.3 (Pre-Release) DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male (20 Rogue) Hit Points: 222 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 8 Reflex: 17 Will: 5 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 21 Dexterity 15 20 Constitution 13 14 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 9 9 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 29 Bluff -1 6 Concentration 1 3 Diplomacy -1 0 Disable Device 5 26 Haggle 3 23 Heal -1 0 Hide 2 15 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 7 29 Listen -1 0 Move Silently 6 39 Open Lock 6 29 Perform n/a n/a Repair 1 3 Search 5 26 Spot 3 23 Swim 3 6 Tumble 6 29 Use Magic Device 3 23 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Haggle (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Cold Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Electric Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Fire Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Sonic Trap Lore I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Improved Hide I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Improved Hide II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow Enhancement: Improved Hide III Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV
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05-28-2011, 07:37 PM #13Community Member
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2 things I saw:
#1. a +1 con tome is pretty cheap. I would suggest putting all your level-ups into str and not using a level-up point in con.
#2. Rogue haste boost IV will increase your dps over anything you equip/buff you get/build you have. Invest in it, learn to use it, love it.Bjornegar, Bloodtrail, Chronogear, Clarkk, Flied, Nugente, Soulgear, Ssmooth, Throrin
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05-28-2011, 09:04 PM #14Community Member
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Alright, cool.
Thanks I'll try it out.Flazer of Ghallanda Lv 6 Drow Ranger Officer: PD Halls of Valhalla, Giantslayer of Ghallanda Lv 5 Warforged Fighter Leader: The Knights of The Forge
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05-31-2011, 03:51 PM #15Community Member
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See? That's all you need to do. Just "eat" a +2 dexterity tome. I have a handful lying around myself... Everybody does... Originally Posted by Ssmooth
Master's Touch scrolls are they way to go I believe if you need to use a weapon you're not proficient with. I just picked up a stack of 100 from the Portable Hole on my wizard for about 800 pp to pass to the rogue I'm leveling up. Now he'll be able to use scimitars (or any other slashing weapon) when fighting enemies with DR/slashing -- I noticed that the rogue really has no slashing weapons that he's proficient with by default (besides the sickle).
Can you support this statement? DDO Wiki and the Compendium simply say that you get a second saving throw, not that you must roll a 20 on it. Since rogue's don't have the best will save around, getting a second save versus hold person or command or the like would be quite nice.* Slippery mind is pretty much useless (allows you a second roll for which you have to roll a 20, yeepee! ), Skill Mastery has more use by far.
I had some guildies saying that a rogue really really really needs to have Hamstring as a feat. Any comments on this? The description says the target's "movement" is slowed by half. However, is this his attack speed, or just his walking/running movement if he were to say be chasing you? If the former, I can see the use; if the later, not so much.-Taters
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05-31-2011, 04:02 PM #16The Hatchery
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He means that a rogue's will save is usually so low that you'll need to roll a 20 to save. Meaning that you now have two chances to roll a 20 instead of one. Originally Posted by Taters214
While an exaggeration, it's not -that- much of one, so people don't usually bother with the feat.
As for hamstring, I've never used it. And likely never will. It does nothing for my boss damage, and trash mobs die fasst enough that a snare effect is a waste of time, not to mention a feat slot.
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