Hate tank build inquiries

[Isharah]

I could almost say I'm clueless about hate tanks, but I kinda feel like making one (haha XD). I have a fair amount of resources available, and a 36-pt build toon ready to TR into one. I can gain access to any class and any race available. Tankables in mind are the eChrono abishai and the pit fiends in elite ToD.

So my questions are:

1. what are some of the viable class splits that would make a good hate tank? (main class and splashes)
2. what's the minimum HP I need if I am going to tank the above mentioned?
2. is evasion critical for a hate tank?
3. what gear set would yield maximum threat generation (end-game, epic gear welcome)?

A crash course or any other tips on building an effective hate tank are quite appreciated.

Thanks a lot in advance.

[Carpone]

1. what are some of the viable class splits that would make a good hate tank? (main class and splashes)

Half-Orc 20 Barbarian or 18 Barbarian/2 Fighter.

2. what's the minimum HP I need if I am going to tank the above mentioned?

People will provide you with anecdotes that they tanked elite Horoth with a 500hp ranger and everything was fine. Generally speaking, more HP = better. I tank elite Horoth with 808 HP (sustained) and it's ez-mode for the healers.

2. is evasion critical for a hate tank?

No. I've tanked more than 40 elite ToDs as a 20 barbarian and 18 barbarian/2 fighter and never once wished I had Evasion.

3. what gear set would yield maximum threat generation (end-game, epic gear welcome)?

eClaw set + ToD Stalwart set = 35% Incite. I've never wished I had more than that. Until you're geared, you may invest a few AP into Brute Fighting to compensate for lack of Incite gear. End-game gear setup: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=271

[Nospheratus]

No. I've tanked more than 40 elite ToDs as a 20 barbarian and 18 barbarian/2 fighter and never once wished I had Evasion.

Well, ToD doesn't require evasion... But it can be crucial if you plan on tanking eChrono... It can also be done without, but it probably takes practice.

I'v tanked eChrono with my 20 barb with hp ranging from 800 to 900 using firestorm greaves+bracers of the archmagi(for the fire shield effect) and when the shield didn't trigger, it was pretty close to death if not death.

Thing is, I'm not sure what's the DC on the breath and evasion can very well be useless if your reflex isn't decent.

[grodon9999]

1. what are some of the viable class splits that would make a good hate tank? (main class and splashes)
2. what's the minimum HP I need if I am going to tank the above mentioned?
2. is evasion critical for a hate tank?
3. what gear set would yield maximum threat generation (end-game, epic gear welcome)?

Tank = thing that can hold aggro and is easy to heal.

1. See the build in my signature. This was something I didn't build on purpose, but the character kinda fell into the role and it worked out fantastic. Fighter 12/Pally 6/Monk 2 is probably a better split for divine righteousness. Pure Fighter Stalwart is also good, kensais/barbarians with very high healing amp also work well. Pally's as well but most are a little HP-light for my tastes but YMMV.

2. You want enough to be able to eat a disintegrate from horoth and keep going, I like anything on Horoth to have at least 700 HP if it has AC (people do it with less, I like a larger margin of error) and 800 with no AC.

3. Evasion is nice but not critical. It helps in damage avoidance but most of the incoming damage a tank needs to absorb can't be evaded. In my guy's case his Reflex save ain't all that hot anyway.

4. Depends on what you're building. I was able to get away with it with just the bonus from Stalwart stance for several months while getting equipped. You just need a longer head-start, in lesser groups I tank with toons with no threat-generation all the time and it works fine with a 20ish second head start (though I swear some of the ToD sets have a hidden Threat gen in them).

You DEFINITELY want the Claw set, it's critical for that 20% Incite and the 30% healing amp. Even if you're not a fighter the Stawart set gives you 15% more hate that stacks.

5 You want as much Healing amp as possible. Even if you build for AC because it just makes life better and you'll be in situations where your AC won't matter (eChono or Deeps though those bosses are a bit of a joke)

6 You want Intimidate, don't gimp anything to get it but a score above 60 is easy to hit. If you die you pretty much need intim to re-establish aggro. Many devil Bosses reset their aggro when they teleport so this is a very handy way to get it back.

[grodon9999]

Well, ToD doesn't require evasion... But it can be crucial if you plan on tanking eChrono... It can also be done without, but it probably takes practice.

I'v tanked eChrono with my 20 barb with hp ranging from 800 to 900 using firestorm greaves+bracers of the archmagi(for the fire shield effect) and when the shield didn't trigger, it was pretty close to death if not death.

Thing is, I'm not sure what's the DC on the breath and evasion can very well be useless if your reflex isn't decent.

The CAD in eChrono is a joke, Horoth is still the benchmark that tests a tank's mettle. The CAD's big attacks are easily avoidable with twitch skill and his melee does about 100 points of damage but is perfectly timed to the cooldown of a heal scroll. I've tanked this dozen's of times on a ranger without much trouble.

I think the DC on his breath is a 40, not 100% sure.

[Carpone]

Well, ToD doesn't require evasion... But it can be crucial if you plan on tanking eChrono... It can also be done without, but it probably takes practice.

A high Reflex save (40-ish?) is required for Evasion in eChrono if you want to stay in during the fire breath. Evasion splash hatetanks won't have the Reflex save for it. Monk or Ranger with Improved Evasion and adequate Incite+Firestorm Greaves+Cloak of Ice makes it much smoother.

[Isharah]

I have a question: how do you avoid fire breath on an evasionless toon? I just realized I've never done it with a tank without evasion. o_o

[Forzah]

I have a question: how do you avoid fire breath on an evasionless toon? I just realized I've never done it with a tank without evasion. o_o

Pale lavender ioun stone can mitigate 2 rounds of fire breath. I think that when you jump away when he does his breath, you can dodge it as well.

[Nospheratus]

I think that when you jump away when he does his breath, you can dodge it as well.

Yes. Usually see people hide behind a pillar during the breath.

[Isharah]

Ohh I see, thank you for your input guys.