If you're not going to loot it, then don't roll on it.

[Mystyque]

That would just lead to arguments over a person's right to roll. I think if an item goes up for roll anyone who wants to roll should be allowed regardless of reason. It's the simplest way of doing it.

I have no issues with guilds trying to help their guildies out. It sucks if I want something and lose the roll, but I lost the roll fairly IMO and without the drama involved with, 'that roll should not have counted blah blah blah'.

Exactly my point if an item is put up for roll anyone can roll on it they can do whatever they want with it. This has been a controversy in game since the game introduced the ability to pass loot in chests. Frankly if you dont like the mechanics then just loot everything that drops in your name and dont put anything up for roll.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Exactly my point if an item is put up for roll anyone can roll on it they can do whatever they want with it. This has been a controversy in game since the game introduced the ability to pass loot in chests. Frankly if you dont like the mechanics then just loot everything that drops in your name and dont put anything up for roll.

Anyone can roll and anyone can try to hide the fact that they're proxy rolling.

Rolling isn't deceptive. Trying to hide the fact that you're proxy rolling is deceptive.

If the filthy, lying proxy rollers would man up and just SAY that they were proxy rolling when they made that /roll, then I (and most other people) would have no problem with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission

[Mystyque]

Anyone can roll and anyone can try to hide the fact that they're proxy rolling.

Rolling isn't deceptive. Trying to hide the fact that you're proxy rolling is deceptive.

If the filthy, lying proxy rollers would man up and just SAY that they were proxy rolling when they made that /roll, then I (and most other people) would have no problem with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission

What does it matter if they win the roll and tell you they are passing it your still gonna be mad that they rolled for someone else.

If they dont tell you and just pass it cause its theres now to do with what they please.

I mean I dont make a habit of rolling on loot just to pass it but I will pass something I pull to a guildy with out putting up for roll.

To me its a game and they can do with what they please.

Or are you all hurt that people beat you out on the rolls and then pass it to someone else.
Cause again who cares.

Deceptive or not they are still doing the same thing whether they ask your permission or not or tell you once they one the roll.

Here is your solution get in a decent guild that runs raids together and ask your guildies for help. Take this 3-5 mods ago drama somewhere else cause no one cares what people do with there loot anymore whether they win the roll and pass it or whether they just pass it.

I wont loose any sleep over it.

[Mystyque]

Anyone can roll and anyone can try to hide the fact that they're proxy rolling.

Rolling isn't deceptive. Trying to hide the fact that you're proxy rolling is deceptive.

If the filthy, lying proxy rollers would man up and just SAY that they were proxy rolling when they made that /roll, then I (and most other people) would have no problem with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission

See one other point to make if someone says I am proxy rolling and they win the roll then your next argument from said proxy roller will be I won that roll but they didnt pass it to me cause I was proxy rolling.

Hence the never ending 2 year old drama regarding loot.

Maybe we should go back to the warded chests with two warded stones that way people can see what scarce loot really is.

[mws2970]

*unless you are in your mom's basement *

^No

Not mothers basement.........its called the "command center"...

^Yes :P

[fluffybunnywilson]

See one other point to make if someone says I am proxy rolling and they win the roll then your next argument from said proxy roller will be I won that roll but they didnt pass it to me cause I was proxy rolling.

I don't have any problem with what people do with their own loot. Pass it to the proxy roller or don't pass it to the proxy roller. Pass the Madstone boots to the Wizard who /rolled a 99 and is so excited about the Potency VII on them if you want.

Your loot is your loot.

I just don't like when people lie in order to get something shiny for their buddy.

Hence the never ending 2 year old drama regarding loot.

Maybe we should go back to the warded chests with two warded stones that way people can see what scarce loot really is.

Well, that would at least get me to run Titan's Forge again (ever).

[WirelessJoe]

...I feel it is my duty to roll on every single item that is put up for roll, and then sell it to the highest bidder or post short videos of me destroying the item on YouTube. I would steal the mana pots from your backpack, if I could.

[mournbladereigns]

most of us on the forums know this

sorry you lost out on the opportunity for some loot, remember it is just a game and it doesn't really mean anything IRL.


*unless you are in your mom's basement *

Yeah yeah, I'll still cut someone for a Torc though! just saying.

My loot is my loot! also "Don't hate the game, hate the playah!"

[Mystyque]

I don't have any problem with what people do with their own loot. Pass it to the proxy roller or don't pass it to the proxy roller. Pass the Madstone boots to the Wizard who /rolled a 99 and is so excited about the Potency VII on them if you want.

Your loot is your loot.

I just don't like when people lie in order to get something shiny for their buddy.



Well, that would at least get me to run Titan's Forge again (ever).

Ok first off they didnt lie. You must not have asked everyone if they were proxy rolling or not. 2nd off who cares I am sorry that whatever guild your in doesnt help out its guildies with getting the raid gear needed to take your noob toon from Noob to rookie.

3rd and last but not least I am sorry you dont have friends in game that would help you out when you tried 100 times for that piece of loot or 1 time and that is a piece you need and they are willing to try and get it for you.
it must be hard playing DDO for you then cause this is a pug eat pug world.

My solution to you only run with people you know or only run with your guild. Might not be much for you they way it sounds but hey your only the thousandth player to whine like a 5 year old cause someone rolled on loot won fair and square then did what they wanted with their winnings.

[Sequell]

[fluffybunnywilson]

Ok first off they didnt lie. You must not have asked everyone if they were proxy rolling or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission

If you know that someone is under a misconception and you deliberately withhold information that would correct that misconception, then you are lying.

If your wife asks if you are cheating on her and you say "no" when you really are, then you are lying.

If your wife says, "I'm so glad that you aren't cheating on me," and you don't say anything to let her know that you are cheating on her, then you are also lying.

2nd off who cares I am sorry that whatever guild your in doesnt help out its guildies with getting the raid gear needed to take your noob toon from Noob to rookie.

I would be committing a lie of omission if I failed to correct your misconception here. I am in a guild with people who help each other out. I pug more often than I raid with the rest of the guild because I play in a different time than most of the rest of the guild, but that's really irrelevant to the case. I don't mind losing rolls to people who are honest and upfront with their intentions. I just don't like losing rolls to lying sacks of **** that think they should be the ones who decide who "deserves" an item isntead of leaving it up to the person that the loot dropped for in the first place.

3rd and last but not least I am sorry you dont have friends in game that would help you out when you tried 100 times for that piece of loot or 1 time and that is a piece you need and they are willing to try and get it for you.

Actually, I've only done VoD 11 times on that character so far. The loot gods are kind to me, so I have no need to complain about the gear that the character has considering how briefly he has been at 20. As I said before,

My solution to you only run with people you know or only run with your guild. Might not be much for you they way it sounds but hey your only the thousandth player to whine like a 5 year old cause someone rolled on loot won fair and square then did what they wanted with their winnings.

And once more for the people who failed their reading comprehension checks....

And if you DO roll on it in order to pass it to someone else, please at least have the decency to SAY SO IN PARTY CHAT when you make the /roll. Don't try to hide what you're doing. That's just nasty.

[Thucydides04]

If you know that someone is under a misconception and you deliberately withhold information that would correct that misconception, then you are lying.

If your wife asks if you are cheating on her and you say "no" when you really are, then you are lying.

If your wife says, "I'm so glad that you aren't cheating on me," and you don't say anything to let her know that you are cheating on her, then you are also lying.

And if you DO roll on it in order to pass it to someone else, please at least have the decency to SAY SO IN PARTY CHAT when you make the /roll. Don't try to hide what you're doing. That's just nasty.

So how am I supposed to know that people are assuming I am not proxy rolling? Furthermore, why should I divulge that information if the person putting the loot for roll is not going to divulge his/her method for dealing with proxy rollers? Because then YOU would be lying by omission if you did in fact have a different policy for handling proxy rollers.

I would be committing a lie of omission if I failed to correct your misconception here. I am in a guild with people who help each other out. I pug more often than I raid with the rest of the guild because I play in a different time than most of the rest of the guild, but that's really irrelevant to the case. I don't mind losing rolls to people who are honest and upfront with their intentions. I just don't like losing rolls to lying sacks of **** that think they should be the ones who decide who "deserves" an item isntead of leaving it up to the person that the loot dropped for in the first place.

Which guild? We don't even know who you are... put you guild/toons in your sig and quit hiding. Also please let us know who you are so we can know who to avoid grouping with. Anyways, it doesn't really matter because we don't have trouble getting our loot; with or without you....

Alas I leave you with this:

Music for the Soul

[Mystyque]

So how am I supposed to know that people are assuming I am not proxy rolling? Furthermore, why should I divulge that information if the person putting the loot for roll is not going to divulge his/her method for dealing with proxy rollers? Because then YOU would be lying by omission if you did in fact have a different policy for handling proxy rollers.



Which guild? We don't even know who you are... put you guild/toons in your sig and quit hiding. Also please let us know who you are so we can know who to avoid grouping with. Anyways, it doesn't really matter because we don't have trouble getting our loot; with or without you....

Alas I leave you with this:

Music for the Soul

/Signed at least someone with a high Intelligence understood my point but your right this is going no where. Obviously the OP is ashamed of his guild or his guild doesnt do much or lack of friends. Typically if I join a guild I join one thats active during the time I am on and will run with guild before pugs.

ACES OVER KINGS we are not a guild we are a GANG!!

[mournbladereigns]

I would be committing a lie of omission if I failed to correct your misconception here. I am in a guild with people who help each other out. I pug more often than I raid with the rest of the guild because I play in a different time than most of the rest of the guild, but that's really irrelevant to the case. I don't mind losing rolls to people who are honest and upfront with their intentions. I just don't like losing rolls to lying sacks of **** that think they should be the ones who decide who "deserves" an item isntead of leaving it up to the person that the loot dropped for in the first place.

The moral of the story is, NEVER pass loot if your a non-guildy in a mostly guild run, cause they will proxy roll and snag it for their 'buddy'. Cause that's how Guilds roll. "Don't hate the game. Hate the player."

[Jonny_D]

Actually its bacon you smell... although we have not been able to determine whether Heffty smells like bacon or vice versa.

quite possibly the best bacon quote ever made on these Argo forums

[robdrew]

stop wasting your time talking about loot u dont have and go get the loot u think u "need"

[lhidda]

so, its ok to roll and pass to a guildie?

[lhidda]

i was confused by this:

Incorrect. Proper looting requires rolling on loot you can slide to guildies. That is all.

[fluffybunnywilson]

So, its not ok.? Decide.

There is some disagreement on the issue, but proxy rolling is generally considered to be bad form. Some people don't care if they're disliked for doing that.

[Cordovan]

There are far too many personal attacks in this thread to keep it open. We will be closing the thread, deleting personal attacks, and taking disciplinary action as appropriate. Please remember that "calling out" other players or guilds is not allowed. Thanks!