Half-Orc Paladin TR

[painkiller3]

i bought the half-orc a couple of months ago so i wanted to use that. i also want to use the paladin past life in a future build...and i also realized that i don't have enough good "stuff" from my barbarian life to equip a fighter or TWF khopesh rogue/ranger...this is my plan for a half-orc Knight of the Chalice. i know that the Half-Orc is a poor choice for a paladin, but i would like to try it...thoughts?

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male
(20 Paladin)
Hit Points: 372
Spell Points: 275

BAB: 20/20/25/3030
Fortitude: 24
Reflex: 18
Will: 14

Starting
Abilities Base Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1)
Strength 16
Dexterity 15
Constitution 14
Intelligence 6
Wisdom 9
Charisma 15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I

Level 2 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I

Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II

Level 5 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II

Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II

Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty

Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I

Level 10 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III

Level 11 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II

Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II

Level 13 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II

Level 14 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV

Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III

Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Paladin Exaalted Smite III

Level 17 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II

Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury

Level 19 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III

Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I

[psymun]

Using Half-Orc to create a Paladin isn't a bad idea, but if you're going to do it, I would suggest taking advantage of Half-Orc abilities.

a.) Half-Orcs get extra damage when using Two Handed Weapons, I'm not completely sure why you are going with Khopesh, but going with a Two Handed Weapon would free up a feat, and would allow you to take the Half-Orc THF enhancements. I would also consider taking Half-Orc Power Attack if you decided to go with THF.

b.) Instead of Paladin Charisma enhancements, I would suggest going with Half-Orc Strength enhancements.

c.) If you are in need of enhancements, you can drop your Exalted Smite down to III because the extra +1 to your range isn't a HUGE boost, especially not for 4 action points.

***Disclaimer*** As always with my posts, I am not implying that you NEED to do these things, simply making suggestions on things for you to think about. Feel free to ask me additional questions, or completely ignore my suggestions!

[unbongwah]

TWF HO paladin is tricky to pull off, given the DEX pre-req and -2 CHA, even on HO TR. Still, it's certainly not impossible, if slightly suboptimal - maybe something like this?

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Female
(20 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 352
Spell Points: 300 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          6                     6
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III

If you plan to use Min2 khopeshes, you can swap IC Slash for barb PL; or swap khopesh for barb PL & use scimitars instead.

[painkiller3]

Strength 18
Dexterity 15
Constitution 14
Intelligence 6
Wisdom 8
Charisma 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

interesting giving points to strength instead of charisma...i always get nervous when a build requires a +3 tome. i would be happy with just the DM3 (cha 18) as i don't plan on staying around 20 for very long. thanks for your advice! i will definitely take it into consideration...

[unbongwah]

Yeah, figuring out where to focus your stat pts is a tough call; TWF paladins are hard enough to pull off without the extra challenge of using a -2 CHA race. You could put more lvl-ups into CHA if you really wanted DM IV and/or wanted to skip that +3 CHA tome, but then I'd worry about your to-hit being too low, since you'd always be at least -4 to-hit while TWFing w/khopeshes, -12(!) w/PA + HO PA enhs.

[painkiller3]

am i biting off too much? should i just make a human?

[Symar-FangofLloth]

If you're set on TWF, human (or maybe even drow) is likely the better choice here. Especially since you want to spend a feat to get Khopesh on top of that.

[lord_of_rage]

Horcs will make great twf paladins at 36 points. At 34 their stats are spread too thin IMO.

[eulogy098]

After playing with the character planner for a bit, I just dont see a TWF Horc Paladin working well. Half orcs are poor enough at paladins when THF , but with TWF they are just terrible imo. (paladins have extremely tight enhancement points and most of the Horc benefits are via-enhancements and the innate strength (which you didnt take advantage of at all))

You're basically getting all the negative aspects of being a Half orc and getting non of the benefits.

If you absolutely insist on being a HAlf Orc , at least go THF, so you can take advantage of the half orc bonuses and max out your strength. 20-8-16-6-8-14 would work (for 36). Probably only ever get Divine Might 2 but I suppose Horc strengths balance that.

If you're just doing it for flavor, then all the power too you and I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun. But if your aiming for optimal (which is what TRs general represent to me) then you are going to be far from it.

[painkiller3]

i ended up my getting my TR TWF paladin half-orc to 20 about a week ago http://my.ddo.com/character/ghallanda/liamrage/ and it wasn't a smooth ride but i did it. i did bite off more than i could chew and my DPS suffered. if i could do it again either i would do either THF with divine might or TWF without it. i didn't have enough stat points so either put the points in dex for TWF or cha for divine might. also some free advice to anyone who is getting ready to do the paladin part of their completionist, make sure you do cleric first...no one else gets the benefit of the extra turn besides paladin. i seem to have overlooked that, so i'm sure others may as well.

will be starting my cleric life around november 15th (date of my 20th shroud so i can cleanse a SP item)