GS cha skill item, Trip air or trip pos/

[Bolo_Grubb]

or am I missing another option?

as a pure spell singer I can caste the clickies or scroll the effect either give me. They look to be about the same in cost of materials.

[Feithlin]

or am I missing another option?

as a pure spell singer I can caste the clickies or scroll the effect either give me. They look to be about the same in cost of materials.

If you want all 3 eCha skills on a single item (you could choose to put a part on an item and the other on another item), you have the choice between: Air II, Positive II and Lightning II. The choice between them will involve the effects obtained and the number of ingredients required:
* Lightning II: best effect imo (Lightning guard i.e. 2%, 100d6 damage on being-hit) but requires 2 tier 3 shards. Tier 2 clicky is a bit meh: chain lightning 2/rest.
* Air II: 2nd best effect imo (5% on being-hit, either DC 35 trip or 30 sec. haste) and haste 3/rest at tier 2. Same price as Positive II.
* Positive II: tier 2 clicky is nice (raise dead 1/rest) but tier 3 effect is meh unless you run a lot of quests with undeads (3-5% on being-hit, possibility to destroy undead).

I would go for the 1st if you have a lot of large scales and for the 2nd otherwise.

[.Revenga.]

If you plan to use the item in your basic setup and won't use it as a swap item too much i would go for
the litII option.

If you're going to make a permanent gs item that you'll be wearing you might aswell make it the best you can get.

Otherwise go for the cheaper options.

The litII guard is not just useful, it's very funny too at times

[Jaid314]

other possible options...

tier 1: HP/str skills
tier 2: SP/cha skills
tier 3: SP/cha skills/con op.

followed after 20 shroud completions by:

tier 1: SP/cha skills (and wizardry VI, but by this time you should have better)
tier 2: HP/con skills
tier 3: HP/con skills/heavy fort (min II if i'm not mistaken)

and there you have it. obviously, this is planning for the long term, but either item would be nice to have in the short term as well, to say the least.

[Feithlin]

Yet another option: you could plan for the long term (see jaid's post) and while waiting for the ingredients, do a tier 2 eCha skills item (+1 & +2) and get the +3 from eldritch rune on a DT outfit. This is quicker and less expensive, and lets you benefit from the +6 while not loosing large scales on a temporary item.

[Bolo_Grubb]

thanks some good suggestions here. I think I should probably plan for the long term.

[Kriogen]

You have coop item?

[Jaid314]

Yet another option: you could plan for the long term (see jaid's post) and while waiting for the ingredients, do a tier 2 eCha skills item (+1 & +2) and get the +3 from eldritch rune on a DT outfit. This is quicker and less expensive, and lets you benefit from the +6 while not loosing large scales on a temporary item.

neither of those are temporary items. the second item is what you wear in addition to the first item after 20 shroud runs.

[Missing_Minds]

or am I missing another option?

as a pure spell singer I can caste the clickies or scroll the effect either give me. They look to be about the same in cost of materials.

tripple positive costs you one more large devil scale compared to air.

greater disintegration guard isn't worth it in my opinion, so I go Pos/Pos/Air

for a total of +6 cha skills, SP, and a click of raise dead.

[knightgf]

When I made my CHA items, I went for positive, since its nice to be able to give one person a second chance at level 13+, especially if you don't have the UMD to use a raise dead scroll. I will admit, the greater undead disruption stinks, but it has its advantages. I feel that going positive has a unique advantage, since usually in a typical party, you will probably have someone that casts extended haste, and not too many people will be able to rez in case something goes wrong.

[Feithlin]

neither of those are temporary items. the second item is what you wear in addition to the first item after 20 shroud runs.

I was talking about an Air II or Pos II, not the items you described. The 1st two cost less large scales but are less effective in the long term, thus favoring your proposition, but since both require 2 shards for tier 3, using a tier 2 item + eldritch rune lets you benefit from +6 eCha skills while waiting to have the required large scales for the items you described.

[Aerendil]

I'll second Jaid's layout. It's pretty nice.
You're going to eventually want a +hp item, and a +cha/SP item anyways, and you'll need 2 GS items to do this.

Another option is to just make a full +hp item first (i.e. min2 or whatever), then get the con-opp later. You'll only get a max of +5 cha skills, not the full +6, but if that's not a concern then that could be an option too (i.e. wiz VI and +1 int; +50 sp and +2 cha; +100 sp and +3 cha).

Just makes it easier IMO having all your +hp on one item, and +sp/+cha on another.