Guild Renown Decay is broken.

[QueenPennyThe1st]

Guild renown decay is Broken. our guild on sarlona is one of the largest guilds and has the following problem:

Guild renown decay: PIF is comprised of 616 accounts, 420 active 243 inactive for a modified size of 196. This number is what our renown decay is based on. Booting inactive accounts will raise this number and increase our renown decay.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

When you boot an account it will take some of the renown with them... could this be part of the issue you are overlooking?

[Tunst]

I find it funny.
I personally think the formula should be the following instead of the past one, since this won't press the idea of getting inactive account on purpose like the last one did.

Active account+(Inactive Accounts X 2)+Recent departs=Modified account

Compared to the past

Active accounts-Inactive Accounts+Recent Departs


A recent depart will still remain the same number as 1, for one week.

[Crazyfruit]

Booting inactive accounts makes them recent departures.

Your guild renown decay shouldn't be broken if you don't kick people out

[BOgre]

why do you care about your inactives? they don't count towards your modified guild size, so they're not increasing decay.

[t0r012]

Guild renown decay is Broken. our guild on sarlona is one of the largest guilds and has the following problem:

Guild renown decay: PIF is comprised of 616 accounts, 420 active 243 inactive for a modified size of 196. This number is what our renown decay is based on. Booting inactive accounts will raise this number and increase our renown decay.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

umm what is your problem with decay? what is "broken" about it IYO?
are you saying your only getting charged decay for only 196 members in a 616 guild with 420 active?

[BOgre]

I find it funny.
I personally think the formula should be the following instead of the past one, since this won't press the idea of getting inactive account on purpose like the last one did.

Active account+(Inactive Accounts X 2)+Recent departs=Modified account

Compared to the past

Active accounts-Inactive Accounts+Recent Departs


A recent depart will still remain the same number as 1, for one week.

Huh??? you want the modified guild size to be LARGER than normal when accounts go inactive?

[BOgre]

umm what is your problem with decay? what is "broken" about it IYO?
are you saying your only getting charged decay for only 196 members in a 616 guild with 420 active?

^^This
sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

[yawumpus]

^^This
sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

If you want to see which members of the guild are online, you have to wait for all 600 to show up in the guild box. I am in a small (tiny) guild and I think we stopped booting inactive players due to this change, but for us it is a non-issue. I also play in a permadeath guild (so no non-guildie grouping) where this can be an issue.

Inactive accounts make turbine sad. It is your duty to get them active again.

[Tunst]

Huh??? you want the modified guild size to be LARGER than normal when accounts go inactive?

actually, yes.
it poses a few things this way instead.
1) people wont want inactive accounts in my guild
2) itll make recruiting differently, as then smart guilds would just stand in harbor sending blind invites and spamming the chat box.

inactive accounts make a guild look bad, i know if i join a guild and see 1/3rd of them last time online like 2 months ago, i leave.
it just doesnt look good.

[k1ngp1n]

actually, yes.
it poses a few things this way instead.
1) people wont want inactive accounts in my guild
2) itll make recruiting differently, as then smart guilds would just stand in harbor sending blind invites and spamming the chat box.

inactive accounts make a guild look bad, i know if i join a guild and see 1/3rd of them last time online like 2 months ago, i leave.
it just doesnt look good.

Huh. I never knew guilds were about looking good. I thought they were places where friends could play together, and, if someone has to offline for a few months for a RL issue (or need a break), they'll have a place to come back to.

[TheDearLeader]

Holy [guacamole] that is a ton of accounts.

I'd say your guild is lucky to have the modified size it does. Imagine if you actually had to pay decay for all 400 of your accounts - you'd better refresh those amenities often

[~jackinthegrn]

The whole guild renown system needs to be rethought. And for those that buy into the excuse that it stops guilds from sending blind invites to try and get thier renown up....it doesn't. Don't believe me? Take one of your unguilded mules next to the bank in the harbor and wait. The longer you wait...the more blind invites you will get. Please see my post "The Unproductive Renown System". Sincerely, Jack

[jwdaniels]

Are you sure you have 616 accounts and not 616 toons? If you really had 616 accounts and it was subtracting 243 from that, you'd have 373 active accounts. The active accounts are based off of players that have logged in any of their toons in the last month, not all of the toons that have logged in during that time.

The whole guild renown system needs to be rethought. And for those that buy into the excuse that it stops guilds from sending blind invites to try and get thier renown up....it doesn't. Don't believe me? Take one of your unguilded mules next to the bank in the harbor and wait. The longer you wait...the more blind invites you will get. The whole renown system needs to be rethought or just plain thrown out. Please see my post "The Unproductive Renown System". Sincerely, Jack

Actually, I think it works pretty well compared to some other systems that I've seen. You're not really penalized for keeping people in guild indefinitely if RL issues get in the way, and it's not a terrible penalty to remove people either if that becomes necessary.

[QueenPennyThe1st]

We do not kick people out of our guild

according to the numbers that are posted when hovering over our guild number we have over 600 accounts, 400+ active - 200+ inactive under 20 recent departures, modifided guild size of under 200. ( I have rounded to the nearest hundred as these numbers do fluctuate occasionally.)

We are a great guild with alot of really fun people, who are trying not to let this stupid arbitrary number of guild level ruin moral, but every time we get to a new level, we have done level 61 about 5 times now, we are within minutes kicked back to level 60 and all the work we have done for the day is wasted. Now I understand that Turbine wants to sell potions that will give us better renown but I for one would rather spend my points on someting that they are not going to take away from us.

[QueenPennyThe1st]

and we have over 900 toons in our guild, Pay it Forward, which means that if 600 accounts had only 1.5 toons on average we have alot of players ...... I personally have 14 toons on Sarlona alone. I put alot of money into this game, but chose to go to premium statis after a year and a half of VIP. I own all but 4 of the adventure packs and have over 2000 turbine points. What am I trying to say?? I am a guild leader, who is trying to do the best she can for her guild, but I find it hard to justify the renown decay in this game, as it serves no apparent purpose except to create one more thing for me to try and justify to my people and friends. At this point I am telling them that we are just here to have fun and all we can do is hope that someone will explain the reasons for this moral buster.

Also, why is it that someone who kills more monsters, breaks more breakables, and solves more puzzles can get less renown that the person who gets a phone call 3 minutes into the dungeon, hides somewhere and comes back to finish the dungeon by raiding the chests and gets tales of valor? does that make sense????

[bendover]

Worry more about game mechanics and game play

Less about renown

[TheDearLeader]

we have done level 61 about 5 times now, we are within minutes kicked back to level 60 and all the work we have done for the day is wasted.

Eternal Wrath gets, and loses, level 81 daily. This has been for over a month now. It's something to laugh at - really, if you think about it, it's pretty awesome to still be gaining a level a day.

Welcome to the club, cry us a river.

Worry more about game mechanics and game play

Less about renown

Oh yeah, and this.

[Emili]

I really do not care... I do know that the system encourages penalizing casuals and sometimes separates people who tend to care about friendships... actually most the game does these days since it went F2P. Guild renown, TR, Epics all tend to split aquaintances apart rather than draw them together due to the very stages of focus they're planning for in game. For such reasons the smaller guilds tend do much better socially and manage collective raids regularly. The upper tiers of regular and power gamers more often tand use channels rather than guilds to form high level groups and the scope of what a guild used to be can never be what it once was.

[Don1966]

could be worse, my guild is at 40 now, takes us about a month to gain each new level. i made a post awhile back in the suggestion forum about changing the way renown decay was calculated. i'd like to see decay calculated by the average of renown gained the past 3 days and the average of accounts that logged in those same 3 days. that should smooth out any spikes and dips in renown and not penalize anyone that can only play on the weekends or can only play for a week when on leave from the military.

Also, why is it that someone who kills more monsters, breaks more breakables, and solves more puzzles can get less renown that the person who gets a phone call 3 minutes into the dungeon, hides somewhere and comes back to finish the dungeon by raiding the chests and gets tales of valor? does that make sense????

well, tell W****y to hang up the phone and quit piking