Build Request: DPS Trapchanter

[kuro_zero]

Interesting idea.

Static party of 4.
Air Savant Sorc
AM Wizard
RS Cleric and
the trapchanter bard.

Of course we would like to be viable at raids and maybe epic stuff in the future...

With a cleric to heal during the hairier fights it may not be so important. With displacement and DR as its primary means of damage mitigation, extra HP provides that cushion should things go pear-shaped (cleric tripped/stunned, unlucky save rolls, etc)

Its a very nice group though and with gear and smart play should not have any problems short-manning with most raids and some epics.

[unbongwah]

Static party of 4.
Air Savant Sorc
AM Wizard
RS Cleric and
the trapchanter bard.

With such a caster-heavy static group, I wonder if you might be better off with a SS just for Vigor & Trance songs.

[Darkrok]

Any chance the Archmage Wizard would be willing to go 18/2rog?

I only ask because with that caster-heavy group, and given the suggestion of spellsinger (which was outstanding), it would be much better if you could get to 12 bard at level 12 versus level 16 or even later. I played a build very similar to the Classic Rocker but I did all 3 PrE's for an extended period on each. Assuming none of the casters are Warforged this group would benefit greatly from a pure Spellsinger. Outside of the rogue splash you've got room to do pretty much anything you want on the pure. You could focus on buffing and melee (taking the THF line/max str). You could focus on buffing and CC (taking Spell Focuses, Heighten, etc/max cha) and still swing the TH around a bit. Or you could do what I did, skip the THF lines but take PA, Tough, Maximize, Empower, Empower Healing, Extend, and Quicken while maxing out your str and going Spellsinger. You're a worthwhile melee combatant (especially if you get twitching down) with about as good of healing as you can possibly get on a bard.

Just a thought though. A dps splashed trapchanter is very fun as well and will work well if the AM doesn't want to get the traps. If they decided they'd rather have a Spellsinger though pure does SO much better at that than splashed.

[Cam_Neely]

Here is mine, few of the enhancements (ie scroll IV and some of the stat boost) are subject to change based on even numbers

This is a TR, so a few more build points then basic. Could be a human with the extra feat being kopeshes
*EDIT* Ah mines the first with 15 bard it seems. I feel that lv 6 spells are not that great. I rarely use dance, although when I do use it, its a nice spell. I think the extra sneak attack dmg outweights this. Mass CMW is nice, but not much better then Mass CLW. With the limited SP, and high UMD, i much more often use heal scrolls and Mass CMW scrolls for healing. I have not actually built this guy yet (have everything but 4 more shroud completions). Currently a 16/2/2 Bard/Barb/Fighter warchanter, and not a huge fan of the Barb splash.

You might find this thread useful to which discusses splashes on warchanters
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=297737

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Hullabaloo 
Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
(2 Fighter / 3 Rogue / 15 Bard)
Hit Points: 320
Spell Points: 512

BAB: 15/15/20/2525
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 10

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats
(34 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20)
Strength           16                24
Dexterity          15                18
Constitution       16                20
Intelligence       12                14
Wisdom              8                10
Charisma           12                16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement
             Base Skills  Modified Skills
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20)
Balance            6              13
Bluff              1              3
Concentration      3              27
Diplomacy          1              3
Disable Device     5              25
Haggle             1              3
Heal               -1             0
Hide               6              8
Intimidate         1              7
Jump               7              12
Listen             -1             0
Move Silently      6              8
Open Lock          6              8
Perform            n/a            25
Repair             1              2
Search             5              26
Spot               3              14
Swim               3              7
Tumble             3              5
Use Magic Device   4              26
 
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
 
Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
 
Level 4 (Bard)
 
Level 5 (Bard)
 
Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
 
Level 7 (Bard)
 
Level 8 (Bard)
 
Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
 
Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 11 (Bard)
 
Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
 
Level 13 (Bard)
 
Level 14 (Bard)
 
Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 16 (Bard)
 
Level 17 (Bard)
 
Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
 
Level 19 (Bard)
 
Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

[Thrudh]

Dumping Dex is not a good idea... You need a good reflex save for evasion (This is important for surviving in combat and if you want to be a competent trapsmith - some boxes are on the far side of the trap)

Plus, with rogue levels, TWF is better with sneak attack on each attack...

Just my opinion.

But I do have a 15/5 bard/rogue... I went drow... Pretty amazing synergy with Dex, Int, and CHA all being important to a bard/rogue... I'm a spell-singer tho, not a warchanter, so I'm not as good in combat as your STR-based build would be (although with a Rad II rapier and Tharne's goggles, I can certainly hold my own)

[Thrudh]

With such a caster-heavy static group, I wonder if you might be better off with a SS just for Vigor & Trance songs.

With that group, you should definitely consider Spellsinger... Spellsinger is also a lot less feat intensive.

[arjiwan]

Thank you very much for the advice. Much appreciated.

Any chance the Archmage Wizard would be willing to go 18/2rog?

There is no chance for that. This will be his first toon and I rather him to go pure and get the hang of it. And no warforged, and also 28 point build AM wiz only.

With that group, you should definitely consider Spellsinger... Spellsinger is also a lot less feat intensive.

I know that SS rocks for that kind of group, I have a capped SS. I love the support roles, and I would love to have one on my side with my capped cleric also. But... her capped toon was a barb, she wants a different flavor but still has the same role. DPS Two hander Build. She is not really into healing but can be self-sufficient.

So for a 32 points build, would be better to let go the trapping skills? I know you can't have everything, but how much dps is sacrificed going with trap skills?