Yet another myddo rant

[mudfud]

Dear Raid leader!
When looking for a DPS please do not turn down the fighter with mid 500s hp, dr breaker, curse pots, heavy fort, full set of ship buffs because you do not allow members of a particular guild into your group on principle because "we all know ppl in that guild never carry dr breakers, lack heavy fort, and dumped con". If you took the effort to my ddo the guild please look at the fortification, hp and weapon equipped. Or i will be forced to impose my awesome gimped down little rogue on you

As part of the experiment i unequipped all the hp items, dr breakers, fortification item, etc etc on my rogue and still managed to get into groups that turned down the other toon

You could probably put an end to this now. Just let us know your guildname and a good chance 85% of us will let you know if it's time to find a new guild, whether you might have been blacklisted because of your guild, or if it's just you.

[Dragonhyde]

awesome.love it. i once lead a mission in burning city.i hate to lead and i hate burning city.so i have this moron in group who wants to zerg and wont listen to me the party leader.after a few warnings i picked up his stone and tossed it into the lava back when there was no way out.it was a good laugh when he constantly asked where he was and how to get out. when he released and got the boot more laughter ensued.i didnt want to do that quest and he made it suck even worse but he was at least good for a laugh.

But i don't listen to you either...but then Darque is not a good listener on her best days
as for myddo to screen it can be deceptive so i tend to go by whether i know the person or the guild

[Thrudh]

Dear Raid leader!
When looking for a DPS please do not turn down the fighter with mid 500s hp, dr breaker, curse pots, heavy fort, full set of ship buffs because you do not allow members of a particular guild into your group on principle because "we all know ppl in that guild never carry dr breakers, lack heavy fort, and dumped con". If you took the effort to my ddo the guild please look at the fortification, hp and weapon equipped. Or i will be forced to impose my awesome gimped down little rogue on you

As part of the experiment i unequipped all the hp items, dr breakers, fortification item, etc etc on my rogue and still managed to get into groups that turned down the other toon

Join a better guild. myDDO checking, bad (or usually waste of time).... Guild black-listing, good.

[jwdaniels]

Not necessarily.

As a shroud leader I am actually interested in the weaponry used by the players, because it gives me an idea what to expect on part2 and 4/5. Also, it helps me to see if I have ranged characters in the group.
I'm not screening; I'm taking basically everyone. With any weapon. Sometimes I convince Paladins to use a Holy Sword instead of unfinished Tier2 Min1 items.

But I'd like to know the general level of items used in my group. And if I have to be picky, because there is only one spot for two people applying, I'd rather take the one with the better weaponry.

(And another anecdote: I saw an lfm, level 10ish, VoN3, "Link Deathblock item". No reason not to join that group; to the contrary.)

I've run VoN3 plenty of times without a deathblock item, including as a tank - you really don't have to have one for the beholders. I've also run shroud as a cleric at level 16 - now that I'm level 20 I still don't spam mass heal.

All it takes to beat a shroud is a small group of people that know what they're doing - heavy melee not required - and the rest is just gravy.

[Gleep_Wurp]

But i don't listen to you either...but then Darque is not a good listener on her best days
as for myddo to screen it can be deceptive so i tend to go by whether i know the person or the guild

lol i dont recall you dying much if ever.i have never met anyone who could cast and use a d-door quicker. i only use myddo when im trying to figure out whats wrong with someone.

[qwert_yuiop]

so a toon with bad gear is more likely to get into a raid than a better equipped one with may be a bit more experience because of where he parks his toon?

Thanks for giving something to think about

[Thrudh]

so a toon with bad gear is more likely to get into a raid than a better equipped one with may be a bit more experience because of where he parks his toon?

Yes.

Thanks for giving something to think about

Most people don't blacklist guilds based on a 2 or 3 bad experiences. Your guildmates have to be consistently bad before people stop accepting anyone from that guild.

Go guildless or get a new guild.

[Dragonhyde]

so a toon with bad gear is more likely to get into a raid than a better equipped one with may be a bit more experience because of where he parks his toon?

Thanks for giving something to think about

It can happen mainly because sometimes people would rather take a chance with equipment than deal with a known issue such as having a problem or issues with someone(people) in a certain guild. The opposite can happen too such as getting into a group based on your guild rep. /shrug I have had both happen to my bards.

[LazyTigerLily]

Join a better guild. myDDO checking, bad (or usually waste of time).... Guild black-listing, good.

Guild blacklisting is about as smart as blacklisting someone because they beat you in PvP. Lots of guilds have good and bad players, and hey, a lot of guilds have people who are just plain jerks. Have a problem with a player? Then use the squelch/ignore feature, that's what it's for. If it is a guild of one maybe it is acceptable to blacklist an entire guild, just keep in mind a guild is a collection of individuals.

Yes.
Most people don't blacklist guilds based on a 2 or 3 bad experiences. Your guildmates have to be consistently bad before people stop accepting anyone from that guild.

Go guildless or get a new guild.

To say that is kind of arrogant, how many new players do you think are encouraged to go guildless by the splash screens or the game tips? None. Most people join guilds to learn the game together, I don't generally see the "good guilds" take in new players until they are well established (think of those guilds who have a 2 level 20 policy). In order to get well established generally means joining a group of people who have some similarities, whether that be play style or times or skill whatever. Because of the sort of elitism of a lot of vets, many new players are snubbed simply because they are new.

I imagine if players with some potential were actually taken in by vets and helped to learn the game, rather than learning things from guildies who don't know it as well..

[MartinusWyllt]

I love myDDO. However, about 90% of the time that I choose to myDDO someone I'll be confirm the suspicions that I have about them regarding HP (<300 hp at level 20 is not acceptable), fortification (<100% fort at level 20 is unacceptable) or some other attribute....

I do it under the same conditions. When I see a rogue getting pulverized (3 deaths) in shroud part 4/5 where the healing is good I can't help but wonder...298 hp, ah, and in the melee ball.

(on a tangent when I am a healer there it is much easier to be a very good healer when there is very good DPS)

[CanuckWench]

Just hit accept when you put up a lfm. I mean really.....unless we are talking about an elite ToD or something. If we can't do raids with a gimp toon here or there, then you aren't as uber as you thought you were. I mean my guild has to carry my butt all the time....they complete things just fine!

Cause it's a FINE butt Burne.....

[bendover]

There really isn't anything wrong with declining someone because of a certain guild they are in. It's probably because they've lived up to a certain reputation and if you don't want to be apart of that it's time for you to look for a different guild.

[Entelech]

I hate to admit it, but there are some guilds that raise red flags.

I try not to let it prejudice me, but after the 30th consecutive "Gee, I know I shouldn't be biased against XXX guild, but this guy is another incompetent buffoon just like the last 29 clowns I've encountered" it gets hard not to.

Mind you, on Thelanis there are only two guilds I currently have on my list, but they're there.

I also know a lot of ex-members of those two guilds who fled when they realized what they'd signed on for. Usually, they're average to above-average players.

While it's rare, a guild can accumulate a culture of nincom****ery. It happens. Be afraid.

[Postumus]

(And another anecdote: I saw an lfm, level 10ish, VoN3, "Link Deathblock item". No reason not to join that group; to the contrary.)

OMG we need to link deathblock items now? For a VoN3 normal? Really? Seriously?


Do we have to start linking disease immunity items for necro 1 as well?


We should probably just get people used to it from the get go and make Korthos players link their Sahaugin beaters.

"Oh you don't have Thera's Rapier or Molin's Greataxe? Sorry, I can't take you in my Korthos slayer group."

[moops]

Guild blacklisting is about as smart as blacklisting someone because they beat you in PvP. Lots of guilds have good and bad players, and hey, a lot of guilds have people who are just plain jerks. Have a problem with a player? Then use the squelch/ignore feature, that's what it's for. If it is a guild of one maybe it is acceptable to blacklist an entire guild, just keep in mind a guild is a collection of individuals.



To say that is kind of arrogant, how many new players do you think are encouraged to go guildless by the splash screens or the game tips? None. Most people join guilds to learn the game together, I don't generally see the "good guilds" take in new players until they are well established (think of those guilds who have a 2 level 20 policy). In order to get well established generally means joining a group of people who have some similarities, whether that be play style or times or skill whatever. Because of the sort of elitism of a lot of vets, many new players are snubbed simply because they are new.

Not sure if you play on Sarlona, but this is not about medicore or sub par guilds or new players. Seriously there is one guild that is so bad that I have had to leave dungeons or reform raids because of their members just doing plain stupid things and not listening or co operating at all. If it were as simple as leaving them dead, it would be one thing, but it is not.

This guild has somehow managed the unique task of staying level 60 for 5 or 6 months despite having 1000 members.

[bendover]

Not sure if you play on Sarlona, but this is not about medicore or sub par guilds or new players. Seriously there is one guild that is so bad that I have had to leave dungeons or reform raids because of their members just doing plain stupid things and not listening or co operating at all. If it were as simple as leaving them dead, it would be one thing, but it is not.

This guild has somehow managed the unique task of staying level 60 for 5 or 6 months despite having 1000 members.

I just decline them anytime I have an lfm up

[TheMidnightMage]

That is why I started a Soloist Guild LOL to many politics involved we take everyone if you don't log for more than 1 month your out simple as that. No wories etc..

[UrbanPyro]

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[Sarisa]

Not sure if you play on Sarlona, but this is not about medicore or sub par guilds or new players. Seriously there is one guild that is so bad that I have had to leave dungeons or reform raids because of their members just doing plain stupid things and not listening or co operating at all. If it were as simple as leaving them dead, it would be one thing, but it is not.

This guild has somehow managed the unique task of staying level 60 for 5 or 6 months despite having 1000 members.

That's the guild I thought was being referred to. I personally give everyone a chance for "normal" quests/runs, and have seen a few good players in that guild. However, a large majority of the members are as mentioned, and like it or not, people will associate such builds/behaviour with each player.

[LazyTigerLily]

Not sure if you play on Sarlona, but this is not about medicore or sub par guilds or new players. Seriously there is one guild that is so bad that I have had to leave dungeons or reform raids because of their members just doing plain stupid things and not listening or co operating at all. If it were as simple as leaving them dead, it would be one thing, but it is not.

This guild has somehow managed the unique task of staying level 60 for 5 or 6 months despite having 1000 members.

The op said he was disallowed from joining a raid because of his guild. He even showed the leader that he had what was expected but was still denied. Sure, he may be in a crappy guild. But does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to prove himself a rose among thorns?