Vampirism

[Drakos]

Yea i know its in beta.but for the fact we got 2 other servers that go threw testing on the same thing we are doing now,i would hope even as live beta it kinda be more of a headsup and more on a set plan on whats in and whats out.Vampirism been out with epic for sometime now,so whats wrong with it?..why is it out?...live beta or not this stuff been tested before...they can tell us what they will add but not what they take out.like ppl say its beta but really what are the other 2 beta servers really doing then?

There are no "other two beta servers". This has been stated many times in the past. Mornlands and Lamannia are not beta servers or test servers, they are preview servers. The don't often make changes based on the feedback from these servers unless they are show stopper bugs.

This isn't even a bug, it is part of them balancing the crafting system while in beta. As long as they don't reset all the crafting XP and levels once the beta is over, I don't think there is alot to complain about.

[Emag]

There are no "other two beta servers". This has been stated many times in the past. Mornlands and Lamannia are not bets servers or test servers, they are preview servers. The don't often make changes based on the feedback from these servers unless tere are show stopper bugs.

This isn't even a bug, it is part of them balancing the crafting system while in beta. As long as they don't reset all the crafting XP and levels once the beta is over, I don't think there is alot to complain about.

Let me get this straight, they are not test servers to test and find the bugs, and work out the kinks to say the least...?

[Drakos]

Let me get this straight, they are not test servers to test and find the bugs, and work out the kinks to say the least...?

Not acording to Turbine. They are preview servers. There is no express understanding that bugs discovered in the preview will be addressed prior to launch. Mornlands is the private preview server (invite only from my understanding) and Lamannia is the public preview server.

Now ocassionally they do address issues brought up on the Lamannia boards, and in the case of crafting they did make some changes, but that in no way changes the fact that Turbine views it as a preview server.

[Veriden]

les vamp is 1 a tic with healing amp under 200% and goes up at the amp goes up to so for les vamp 1+ for up to 199% amp 2+ for upto 299% 3+ up to 399%..ect
then for Vampirism its a bit different its like a 3 tic system so for under 200% it was like 1.3.4 all random then goes up with amp but will increase with the amount of amp..like over 200% but under 250% is 2.4.6..if that helps

Cool, thanks explains it perfectly.

[Thrann]

Not acording to Turbin. .

.....is that a new company?

[seskie1]

.....is that a new company?

You of all people can't make fun of somebody if they misspell something Thrannypoo , matter of fact neither can I .

[Drakos]

.....is that a new company?

Sorry for missing the 'e' I'll correct my post.

[Morosy]

I got neg repped for my comment. That's priceless.

This is like the guy who buys an antique swiss clock from a dealer with an as is sales contract and then complains when it doesn't work, right after he was told there was no guarantee that it would work.

Nope. You are part of a test group that gets to test the clocks before they get sold, and your model didn't work. Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your overall premise, but your analogy was off :P

[THOTHdha]

i would hope even as live beta it kinda be more of a headsup and more on a set plan on whats in and whats out.Vampirism been out with epic for sometime now,so whats wrong with it?..why is it out?...live beta or not this stuff been tested before...they can tell us what they will add but not what they take out.like ppl say its beta but really what are the other 2 beta servers really doing then?

but shouldn't there be some heads up of a upcoming changes that a person has put much time and effort into...?

No. There is absolutely no reason why you should be expecting some kind of 'heads up' or preview of what is to come. If they forecasted their rebalancing efforts, then everyone would hurry up and make a bunch of the imbalanced items as soon as something was said about it. That's the same reason why Turbine will not comment on current exploits.

There is private internal testing. But as has been mentioned before, Lamania is not a test server. By the time something goes on Lama land it is pretty much too far along the development pipe to make a lot of changes. Occasionally something really big get spotted and has to be altered before it goes live, but most often very major bugs are found on Lamania, and they still go live. This is because corporate programming is a ponderous and unagile beast.

Rather than whining about this change you should be glad that you were able to make the items in the first place. Enchantments that have been considered too powerful could have been removed, and all items crafted with those properties removed as well. The constant warnings that are forced on you that crafting is still in the live beta phase are not just there because someone was looking for something to do. Chances are good that quite a few changes will be coming. The addition of crafting XP for deconstruction is a good example. If you want to take advantage of any beneficial changes that might come along, then it might be best to wait on using the crafting system until things have been worked out a bit.

[Gauthaag]

What about Vampirism is not out..it could have its lvl adjusted so its now higher then 75 allowed.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Your "heads-up" is that warning message that appears EVERY single time you load into the crafting hall. Whether there "should" be one or not, there actually is one.

Hell, you're complaining about something explicitly stated as vein in beta being changed - think about how us older cats feel about all those greensteel changes, among many other things.

[Setin_Myways]

What about Vampirism is not out..it could have its lvl adjusted so its now higher then 75 allowed.

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that's my guess. if lesser went form 20 to 45, i would think regular vamp would have gone up a similar amount, with a bit of a boost... so maybe it is lvl 76 recipe now.

I think they presented the over all changes from 9 to 9.1 fairly well. I would rather see them spend more time on making the system 'Live' then on exhaustive documentation of the specific changes in the phases of an announced beta release.

Maybe they need the DM voice to say 'Buyer beware!' the entire time you are in the crafting area?

[Lerincho]

The last time a "heads up" was leaked was with WoP and there was a mass hysteria. Those that heeded the warning gouched people that did not know, only to have people come on to the forums to bash them for shady trading.

Then there was the time that certain scrolls were going to be removed from the game, so what did people do? Bought entire mules of the scrolls.

No Turbine has learned their lesson of advanced on smaller issues like this. After all, look at the backlash they took for the spell pass over. Funny, my wizard seems to have the same abilities as he had before update 9.

[Sydril]

Nope. You are part of a test group that gets to test the clocks before they get sold, and your model didn't work. Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your overall premise, but your analogy was off :P

Fair enough

[Cyr]

Beta crafting bud. Expect changes. Were these particular changes good ones...heck no. Was there a good reason for the typical Turbine lack of communication about them...heck no. Are the above typical for Turbine...heck yeah.

[rimble]

Beta... You're testing this stuff.

If you want it to work and not change, wait a few updates.

Basically, unfortunately, this. Which is why I just deconstruct right now...and hey, as of last night that started leveling me a bit too, so I got that going for me.

[Valindria]

This makes me sad. When I saw how the crafting worked I decided I would wait a little bit before working on it to see what changes were coming. Seems like waiting was a bad choice since now I can not make vampirism and lesser is a higher level. Vamp was my main goal for crafting.

[kcru]

Figures, I was just about to make a Vicious scimitar of lesser vampirism for soloing.