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    Default Lower the cool-down on Stunning Blow

    With the current setup in epics 15 seconds is just too long.

    TWFers lost their double-procs and the saves all went up by 4 in U9. My fighter's 50 DC stunning-blow lands so rarely that it's not worth the feat/APs.

    The fort saves need to stay as is otherwise the insta-kills would be even more of a joke than they are now but a shorter cool-down will make SB more viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    With the current setup in epics 15 seconds is just too long.

    TWFers lost their double-procs and the saves all went up by 4 in U9. My fighter's 50 DC stunning-blow lands so rarely that it's not worth the feat/APs.

    The fort saves need to stay as is otherwise the insta-kills would be even more of a joke than they are now but a shorter cool-down will make SB more viable.
    How are insta kills a joke when a 50 DC lands rarely? A fort save is a fort save.

    I am finding that I have to target weak saves to be successful more often than not.

    What would be a good cool down time that is viable but doesnt become a no opportunity cost "keep spaming until it lands" machine gun button?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    How are insta kills a joke when a 50 DC lands rarely? A fort save is a fort save.

    I am finding that I have to target weak saves to be successful more often than not.

    What would be a good cool down time that is viable but doesnt become a no opportunity cost "keep spaming until it lands" machine gun button?
    I don't get it either . . . I see DC 42 necro casters landing their insta-kills a lot better than my DC 50 SB. Granted we don't energy-drain a target before we hit the SB button . . .

    It's shouldn't be spammable, but maybe 6 seconds like stunning fist OR have it not go on timer if we didn't get a physics check on the swing.

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    go ftr/monk grab blow and fist, youll have 3 stuns in 15 sec or 6 stuns in 30 sec
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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    My fighter's 50 DC stunning-blow lands so rarely that it's not worth the feat/APs.
    Totally dude. I have trouble stunning those WF titans too. We should get like million SB's a sec and epic mobs should never be killed by casters who should be too busy hasting me anyway!

    /sarcasm off

    Select your targets more wisely. The best/most important targets to stun are casters and other relatively low fort mobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by maha0201 View Post
    go ftr/monk grab blow and fist, youll have 3 stuns in 15 sec or 6 stuns in 30 sec
    Actually I think 7 = 2 SBs + 5 SFs every 30sec. With the U9 change to SF, it's possible for a 12ftr/8mnk to get very respectable DCs on both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keybreaker View Post
    Totally dude. I have trouble stunning those WF titans too. We should get like million SB's a sec and epic mobs should never be killed by casters who should be too busy hasting me anyway!

    /sarcasm off

    Select your targets more wisely. The best/most important targets to stun are casters and other relatively low fort mobs.



    Actually I think 7 = 2 SBs + 5 SFs every 30sec. With the U9 change to SF, it's possible for a 12ftr/8mnk to get very respectable DCs on both.
    I run a 12/8 and did away with SF b4 U9. Now feat respec.. imo 15 seconds about 5 too much..

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    With the current setup in epics 15 seconds is just too long.

    TWFers lost their double-procs and the saves all went up by 4 in U9. My fighter's 50 DC stunning-blow lands so rarely that it's not worth the feat/APs.

    The fort saves need to stay as is otherwise the insta-kills would be even more of a joke than they are now but a shorter cool-down will make SB more viable.
    50 shouldn't be too much of an issue I wouldn't think, I land most of mine with less than that. Of course I have to use a terribly inferior weighted weapon (to my ESOS) and swap just to make it land so I lose a lot of the DPS I'd otherwise gain swapping weapons and I have to take the quick draw feat to boot.

    THat said I am 100% in agreement that 15 seconds is too long. With the number of mobs I can instantly kill in 15 seconds on my caster being what it is I don't think it's too much to give an 8 or 10 second cooldown to a melee who used a feat for the ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingal View Post
    50 shouldn't be too much of an issue I wouldn't think, I land most of mine with less than that. Of course I have to use a terribly inferior weighted weapon (to my ESOS) and swap just to make it land so I lose a lot of the DPS I'd otherwise gain swapping weapons and I have to take the quick draw feat to boot
    Here's the thing Dingal . . . if you have to equip say a Ratkiller and put your ESoS away . . . would the Ratkiller's damage + 50% even be worth it over just swinging your ESoS the entire time? When we had auto-crit yes, now I don't think so (haven't crunched the numbers so I can't say for certain).

    How much DPS do you really gain with an icy-burst weighted hammer in your hands on stunned targets versus just swinging dual lightning IIs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    Here's the thing Dingal . . . if you have to equip say a Ratkiller and put your ESoS away . . . would the Ratkiller's damage + 50% even be worth it over just swinging your ESoS the entire time? When we had auto-crit yes, now I don't think so (haven't crunched the numbers so I can't say for certain).
    I'd have to check to see if it's worth it, with quick draw I've got the ESOS out almost the instant the stun lands and I have it on a 3 button sequence. Button 2 = Ratkiller button 3 = stun, button 4 = ESOS so I just spam that sequence every 15 seconds or so.

    It may not equal a huge boost if any in total DPS but at least it's several seconds with one less spastic devil teleporting all over the place and smashing the casters while they kill everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingal View Post

    It may not equal a huge boost if any in total DPS but at least it's several seconds with one less spastic devil teleporting all over the place and smashing the casters while they kill everything.
    So true . . . I'm resigned to the fact that melee in epics are just decoys to stall mobs while the casters insta-kills are on timer but I can use intimidate for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    So true . . . I'm resigned to the fact that melee in epics are just decoys to stall mobs while the casters insta-kills are on timer but I can use intimidate for that
    Yep, now my barb is an intimi-sponge lol.

    Intimidate + supreme cleave to hold aggro while waiting for the casters cooldown timer on wail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingal View Post
    50 shouldn't be too much of an issue I wouldn't think, I land most of mine with less than that. Of course I have to use a terribly inferior weighted weapon (to my ESOS) and swap just to make it land so I lose a lot of the DPS I'd otherwise gain swapping weapons and I have to take the quick draw feat to boot.

    THat said I am 100% in agreement that 15 seconds is too long. With the number of mobs I can instantly kill in 15 seconds on my caster being what it is I don't think it's too much to give an 8 or 10 second cooldown to a melee who used a feat for the ability.
    The problem if you make the cooldown shorter is you will need to swap weapons much more thus losing more dps. When it was insta crits this made sense, not sure it does now. Maybe a better idea would be either lower the stun dc's so you have less of a chance of 'wasting' a weapon swap or slightly increase the stun duration.

    Now, I only find it useful on casters as taking them out of a fight for even a short time can be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lugoman View Post
    Now, I only find it useful on casters as taking them out of a fight for even a short time can be useful.
    They are the first targets that are fingered or PWK'd as soon as the door opens, except for drow of course who have that utterly absurd SR but **** HP anyway. I'll have to test but if my fighter can trip them SB's going bye-bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    They are the first targets that are fingered or PWK'd as soon as the door opens, except for drow of course who have that utterly absurd SR but **** HP anyway. I'll have to test but if my fighter can trip them SB's going bye-bye.
    I'm dropping stunning blow and going back to pure barb today as soon as the server comes up. Until I get the items I need to get myself back to a sustained 74 str with the fighter levels I'm staying pure barb. At 74 I never miss anything, silver flame pots or otherwise (Except stupid Malicia) but with the fighter levels I can only maintain 74 and I miss when I'm self healing.

    I may not drop SB but I'm definitely going back to pure barb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lugoman View Post
    The problem if you make the cooldown shorter is you will need to swap weapons much more thus losing more dps. When it was insta crits this made sense, not sure it does now. Maybe a better idea would be either lower the stun dc's so you have less of a chance of 'wasting' a weapon swap or slightly increase the stun duration.

    Now, I only find it useful on casters as taking them out of a fight for even a short time can be useful.
    for the most part I agree, depends on the level of chaos. Stopping even 1 rampaging devil in Epic DA can be useful.

    I don't even bother 99% of the time. Most of the time I land my stun and then the FOD icon appears above the mobs head before I've got my esos back out. Then I go sulk in the corner until the red name comes out to play.
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    Not signed. I don't want to spend TP to restore my barb to pre U9 setup.
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    I agree that Stunning Blow needs a shorter cooldown with the increase to mobs saves. For me, Stunning Blow has become almost unreliable in Epics. I'd say somewhere between 10 to 12 seconds seems reasonable to me.

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    /signed...

    Stunning isn't insta-crit anymore... We can lower the cool-down to 10 seconds...
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    I think most, if not all, special melee attacks that require a feat should have their timers reduced.

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    Sorry guys, but I am going to disagree on this one.

    SB has zero resource cost. The tradeoff is that the cooldown is long.
    SF has a resource cost (Ki). Therefore it's cooldown is short.

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