Stunning blow after U9 . . .

[grodon9999]

How useful you guys finding it to be? My dorf has a 50 DC with a stunning weapon equipped and I'm very disappointed with its performance since U9. I'm not reliably landing stuns on anything worth stunning anymore.

Still worth investing in? I'm not talking about a medicre DC either. If 50 isn't reliable it looks pointless to spec for.

[Asketes]

didn't they raise the saves in epic by like 3 or 5?

[Picker]

I use it on my monk all the time even since U9 its a shame it doesnt autocrit anymore but it does mean they aren't hitting you while your hitting them which is still a bonus

iirc the affected mob will take 50% more damage or some such when stunned

[grodon9999]

didn't they raise the saves in epic by like 3 or 5?

The saves were raised by 4. Prior to U9 the only things I couldn't nail with a 50 DC were the non-minion Bearded Devils in eDA and eChrono, now the Scorrow in OoB make the save more often than not.

Silly question . . . in know prior to U9's donkey-punch animation a TWFer would get two stun attempts if they proc'd an off-hand attack . . . does that happen anymore with the new animation?

[Asketes]

this is true, I ran around with a 53 dc on permaforged and took everything for a ride; I will have to wait till I get back to 20 to see how my new dcs act. (should be a 55 this time through)

[Cam_Neely]

I find it very useful against the mobs that I found it important for before, ie casters in epics. Epic Melees I have a lower % on, but still decent.

Have you fully gotten used to the new range? Its much shorter, and you might not actually be preforming the check each time you use it.

[grodon9999]

Have you fully gotten used to the new range? Its much shorter, and you might not actually be preforming the check each time you use it.

It could be that, I'll have to murder some more monsters to test. That's a huge annoyance that it goes on time if you don't get a physics check, it really shouldn't.

Does anyone know if we get off-hand procs now?

[Krag]

Silly question . . . in know prior to U9's donkey-punch animation a TWFer would get two stun attempts if they proc'd an off-hand attack . . . does that happen anymore with the new animation?

You no longer get extra off-hand stuning attack after U9 nerf.

[Merlocke]

dumped it on my melees.

[grodon9999]

You no longer get extra off-hand stuning attack after U9 nerf.

Which explains a lot . . . few targets will make two DC50 saves.

It's almost looking now like it's not worth the feat or APs.

[Krag]

Which explains a lot . . . few targets will make two DC50 saves.

It's almost looking now like it's not worth the feat or APs.

Dumped it on my barb.
Extra to-hit I got from the trade is definitely worth more than long-cooldown-short-range-single-target-awkward-animation maneuver. Switching icy burst crappyhammer of stunning for Lit2 khopesh was not a bad bargain either.

[voodoogroves]

I dropped it on my fighter, kept it on my monk.

Then I TR'd my monk.


Freakin' hate that animation. Trip too.

[grodon9999]

Dumped it on my barb.
Extra to-hit I got from the trade is definitely worth more than long-cooldown-single-target-awkward-animation maneuver. Switching icy burst crappyhammer of stunning for Lit2 khopesh was not a bad bargain either.

Yeah . . . the DPS loss of having a stunning weapon equipped probably barely makes up for the DPS gain of having the target stunned. Looking like the general consensus is it's not worth it now.

I assume you took OTWF which pays off. Mine's a fighter so I've got plenty of feats, but the AP investment is very expensive and I'm not thinking worth it at all anymore.

[count_spicoli]

I took it on my lvl 7 half orc fighter who already has a 30 str with 2 ap invested in enhancements and I only land it with a stunning weapon 100% of the time. Without stunner 50%. The cooldown is ridiculous. Should be like a 6 sec max. Dropping it soon.

[Boromirs]

So, is there an objective in making feats ,for lack of a better word, completely useless? Is it to make the game easier, possibly limiting the learning curve thereby allowing more new players to be comfortable with the game faster?

As it stands now the job of a melee is to make sure all their "boost" clickies are in play and try to hit as many monsters as possible. Apart from these two there really isn't much of a strategy or a list of different action/different outcome variables a melee can throw out there. While a caster has far FAR more selection. I'm just wondering if all these feat nerfs are just dumbing down the melee into boredom oblivion?

[Nick_RC]

I would drop it completely if I were relying on weighted weapons to get ur DC high enough to work. (Monk stunning fist splashes excluded).

I still have it but thats because I have a 50 DC without weighted. I only keep it because im not dropping dps by using a weighted weapon. If I wasnt that high and had to use a weighted weapon Id drop it. Mobs dont have many hp anymore. Id get fatter and smash through.

The new trip and stun animations SUCK. I hate them with a passion. The trip is especially clunky. Just absolutely awful.

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[Shade]

Still works ok for me.

Really sucks they nerfed it without cause tho. (No double proc on glance blow or offhand)

Tho I heard freakin monks didn't get there nerfed.. So stupid and inconsistant. They still get an offhand chance aparently... at least for stunning fist, not sure about blow.

But yea for me:
About 44-48 DC without stun wep (54-58 with): Lands all the time on epic vs caster types.
Around 75% vs ranger types.
Sometimes vs melee types.
Pull out epic ratkiller: Lands all the time vs rangers and most melee types, only exceptions are some very tough devils and giants.

So yea definetely worth keeping. A few higher saves on epic makes it land less sure, but target casters and youll still land pretty well everytime.. CAsters have poor fort saves. Most ranger types too.

With the higher saves tho, those fighter past lives are definetely worth having. I've only got one on my main half orc barb, but considering getting more.

Works fine for my dwarf too, has a similar DC to my half orc thanks to his tactic enhancements.

Just wish theyd do away with with the lame anim, and bring back offhands/glancing blows.

[Nick_RC]

A few higher saves on epic makes it land less sure, but target casters and youll still land pretty well everytime.. CAsters have poor fort saves. Most ranger types too.

With the higher saves tho, those fighter past lives are definetely worth having. I've only got one on my main half orc barb, but considering getting more.

Agree with your post. The only thing to add would be if ur casters/divines are good then those mages are fingered/wailed/destructed/imploded. Which sort of leaves hardy melee mobs that give the casters trouble because of high fort saves. Which similarly gives our SB problems.

By that thinking with the assumption you are running with good casters who get the low fort mages/rangers then we are left with resilient melee mobs...

I still use it as we tend to split up and cover more ground in guild and stun helps out with this alot.

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[Wraith_Sarevok]

Never worth dropping.

Even with no stunning weapon and a bad DC, it still lands pretty often in Vale quests, which makes it very useful because those quests are run almost all the time.

Anything stunned is dead. It's not going to survive those 6 seconds of +50% damage, whether coming from the stunner or the group, especially now with most epic mobs' HP cut in half. Plus it can't fight back, which means it can't hurt you and saves mana for healing.

It's even worthwhile to carry Trip on your hotbar, because it guarantees to disable most monsters for ~6 seconds, even if they make the balance check. They can't fight back and their AC is lowered in the Prone state, which allows the group to instantly focus fire and take them out.

[Nick_RC]

Never worth dropping.

Even with no stunning weapon and a bad DC, it still lands pretty often in Vale quests, which makes it very useful because those quests are run almost all the time.

Anything stunned is dead. It's not going to survive those 6 seconds of +50% damage, whether coming from the stunner or the group, especially now with most epic mobs' HP cut in half. Plus it can't fight back, which means it can't hurt you and saves mana for healing.

It's even worthwhile to carry Trip on your hotbar, because it guarantees to disable most monsters for ~6 seconds, even if they make the balance check. They can't fight back and their AC is lowered in the Prone state, which allows the group to instantly focus fire and take them out.

I personally would not base my decisions on lvl 16 quests but rather where I spend most of my time. If you run vale often or tr alot sure. But for someone purely running epics and are in that medium area then its very definately a choice. I will not be taking it on my 18 barb/2 ftr.