two RAD IIs a waste?

[Tobril]

@OP

Apologies for my part in a massive derail.


If I were you here is what I would do…


Drowning in ingredients – Craft the Rad II and make your own assessment.

Poor like the rest of us – Look into the new crafting options, there are a lot
of nice things you can make. (flametouched iron bodyfeeder of vampirism sticks out in my mind)

[Tobril]

See here's the thing. Two battle-divines(Guessing FvS...) are pretty much the poster children for two manning elite anything.

Yes, Inters rogue is awesome.

Yes, Inter can solo and is a very knowledgeable and good DDO player.

Should Inter come here and tell people without so much skill, time spent playing, and good groups to run with to not build a weapon that will benefit them greatly?

The answer to that is easy. No. Inter should not have made a blanket statement: "Rad II is a waste, do not craft it"

Simply for this reason. Just because it is a waste for him, doesn't mean it is a waste for everyone.

I said something to this effect earlier, but then a whole bunch of absolute
comments from the other side spewed forth.

In my case the solution was to delete my thief and play something else
because she kept falling over a lot due to my colossal lack of skill playing her.

[toughguyjoe]

I said something to this effect earlier, but then a whole bunch of absolute
comments from the other side spewed forth.

In my case the solution was to delete my thief and play something else
because she kept falling over a lot due to my colossal lack of skill playing her.

Don't just give up like that! When your rogue falls over too much you just yell "CARRY MEH STONE! DO EEEETTTT!"



It always works for me!

[REALb0r3d]

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[bendover]

If my posts come off to people as a bit of arrogance and "I'm better then you" then I apologize that's not the objective and I should have been a bit more clear.

Radiance II's on a rogue are worth it to YOU if you find yourself solo'ing and TR'ing frequently. There is no question about it at that point those are superior weapons.

However when you're running epics and raids they just become obsolete to most other greensteel weapons. And for myself and many other players that's the part of the game we enjoy and play.

So to the OP it's really all determined on what you find yourself eventually wanting to run. If you like the quest scene, the TR leveling grind then absolutely make your radiance II's first. If you're more interested in being more beneficial in end game content make something along the lines of Mineral II's/Lightning II's and what not.

[Tobril]

If my posts come off to people as a bit of arrogance and "I'm better then you" then I apologize that's not the objective and I should have been a bit more clear.

Radiance II's on a rogue are worth it to YOU if you find yourself solo'ing and TR'ing frequently. There is no question about it at that point those are superior weapons.

However when you're running epics and raids they just become obsolete to most other greensteel weapons. And for myself and many other players that's the part of the game we enjoy and play.

So to the OP it's really all determined on what you find yourself eventually wanting to run. If you like the quest scene, the TR leveling grind then absolutely make your radiance II's first. If you're more interested in being more beneficial in end game content make something along the lines of Mineral II's/Lightning II's and what not.

+1 for saying it how you should have to begin with, mr. naughty drama starter.

[SableShadow]

If my posts come off to people as a bit of arrogance and "I'm better then you" then I apologize that's not the objective and I should have been a bit more clear.

And I shouldn't have flipped out at you in a couple (well, probably more than a couple) places. That didn't help matters any; sorry about that.

[Maxallu]

+1 for saying it how you should have to begin with, mr. naughty drama starter.

I apreciate the directness and the attempt at amends. Now I will attempt to be even more clear so that I get the opinions from people regarding my original point.

I am going to TR my toon into a rogue next life and I have decided to make a RAD II weapon. My question is, one or two? Not Rad or Lit/Min.

Yes, i understand fully what is needed in endgame, that is no stranger to me.

[qwert_yuiop]

I apreciate the directness and the attempt at amends. Now I will attempt to be even more clear so that I get the opinions from people regarding my original point.

I am going to TR my toon into a rogue next life and I have decided to make a RAD II weapon. My question is, one or two? Not Rad or Lit/Min.

Yes, i understand fully what is needed in endgame, that is no stranger to me.

:| one, esp if rapier

[Maxallu]

:| one, esp if rapier

And if Kopesh?

[efreet5]

The benefit of a radII is making things able to be affected by your SA's. Why would you EVER make a kopesh rad II over a scimy/Rapier/Falchion when it's an on-crit effect, other than for flavor?? If it has to be a kopesh and you're going to TR him multiple times where they'll benefit you, then make 2 if you have a ton of larges sitting around.

You seem to want a straight up yes or no answer to your question, but this is more of a personal preference thing. We can't decide for you. No question, end-game content calls for lit2's and other non-rad weapons, but for leveling you just want to SA everything in sight, so make either a scimy/rapier/falchion and call it a day. If ya gotta go kopesh, then ya might as well make 2 to get a better chance at SA's occuring. There's really no wrong answer.

[Maxallu]

well, already have the 2 kopesh blanks from a previous life, was just thinking to make them Rad IIs, but if it is that much better, making 2 rapiers wont be that hard.

And, i was planning on taking kopesh on my rogue life anyway, but If I save the feat, i suppose I could always take something else.

[qwert_yuiop]

One khopesh works well enough. One blind in 5 hits is less than one in 3 but you probably wont notice it. the mobs will be blind by the time they aggro you. But its a preference. Do not switch from khopesh to rapiers just for the wider critic profile of you rad2.

[hockeyrama]

Umm wow... No Mineral II offers you the Improved Crit feat.... So if you're going Mineral II you don't need the feat meaning you can pick up something else to improve DPS.

If you don't go Mineral II then obviously improved crit is the way to go. Way to show you're lack of knowledge.

So no improved crit feat? Really? So what you saying is if you use min2s then you only use min2. This limits you to one wepon so before you say others have no knowledge please check what you are saying as you are wrong here. There are many times where another wepon is superior in damage or specials.


Now the discussion about one rad or two which is the main point here. If you have a rapier as your rad2 then you only need one. Two khopesh would be better for two as you will get more blinds then a single rad and yet still do higher dps then two rapiers. That being said you probably better off with the rad2 rapier and a lit2.

quopte=bendover"If my posts come off to people as a bit of arrogance and "I'm better then you" then I apologize that's not the objective and I should have been a bit more clear.

Radiance II's on a rogue are worth it to YOU if you find yourself solo'ing and TR'ing frequently. There is no question about it at that point those are superior weapons.

However when you're running epics and raids they just become obsolete to most other greensteel weapons. And for myself and many other players that's the part of the game we enjoy and play.

So to the OP it's really all determined on what you find yourself eventually wanting to run. If you like the quest scene, the TR leveling grind then absolutely make your radiance II's first. If you're more interested in being more beneficial in end game content make something along the lines of Mineral II's/Lightning II's and what not."

Good job for admitting you been doing lots of drama and giving a very negative style of response. However, I still feel that in many situations you are still wrong. To say rad2 has no place in epics is wrong. It is a useful wepon given the situation. It has its place and I have had many groups love the fact that I will blind all the mobs when needed. Yes, in situations where they all held and then start moving around that is a pain so then don’t use them in those situations. However, in situations where the mobs have great saves and the casters holds will occasionally break (especially since they raised the ability for mobs to break out of the holds in the latest update) then having them come out blind is better then not blind. It just gives you another option. So is it used all the time? No. is it useless in epics and raids? No. Just cause you use something one way does not mean it has no use.

[Miahoo]

And I shouldn't have flipped out at you in a couple (well, probably more than a couple) places. That didn't help matters any; sorry about that.

Sniff! I love you guys!

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[Chai]

Lol? I'd hope with pocket heals, buffs, CCs, and instakills you could "manage to be effective sans issues"... 4 Man optimal group conidered underman LAWL.

I gave an example of a group where someone wasnt going to play my aggro babysitter and keep aggro for me so I can shine in the DPS dpt. This example highlights how a RAD2 weapon is an advantage, and not a crutch.

LAWL.

[Chai]

Umm wow... No Mineral II offers you the Improved Crit feat.... So if you're going Mineral II you don't need the feat meaning you can pick up something else to improve DPS.

If you don't go Mineral II then obviously improved crit is the way to go. Way to show you're lack of knowledge.

1 TWF
3 Toughness
6 iTWF
9 khopesh
12 iCrit
15 gTWF
18 PA

On a rogue, what is this mysterious feat that gives more DPS you are going to replace iCrit with?

Min 2 offers you KEEN on that weapon only, and the minute you need to swap out weapons, you just lost DPS, unless every weapon in your pack wastes a prefix on keen, which is also a loss in DPS. If this is somehow incorrect, what feat is better than iCrit for a rogue to slot?

[Thrudh]

well, already have the 2 kopesh blanks from a previous life, was just thinking to make them Rad IIs, but if it is that much better, making 2 rapiers wont be that hard.

And, i was planning on taking kopesh on my rogue life anyway, but If I save the feat, i suppose I could always take something else.

If you're a khopesh user, make one Rad II scimitar, not a rapier.

Save those two khopesh blanks to make Lit II or Min II.

And take the Improved Crit feat by 12th level.

[Thrudh]

nm

[Thrudh]

If my posts come off to people as a bit of arrogance and "I'm better then you" then I apologize that's not the objective and I should have been a bit more clear.

Radiance II's on a rogue are worth it to YOU if you find yourself solo'ing and TR'ing frequently. There is no question about it at that point those are superior weapons.

However when you're running epics and raids they just become obsolete to most other greensteel weapons. And for myself and many other players that's the part of the game we enjoy and play.

So to the OP it's really all determined on what you find yourself eventually wanting to run. If you like the quest scene, the TR leveling grind then absolutely make your radiance II's first. If you're more interested in being more beneficial in end game content make something along the lines of Mineral II's/Lightning II's and what not.

Thanks for the clarification.