Savants, Enhancement Lines, Prismatic Spells

[voodoogroves]

Is Prismatic Ray / Spray consider an "element" spell, thus has an increased CL from Savants?

I'm asking because the spell description doesn't list a cap on the damage (just X / CL) and I think I'm going to try to work it in a few builds possibly.

[ProdigalGuru]

Every time I have used a Prismatic spell, it has been.... less than effective.

[voodoogroves]

Every time I have used a Prismatic spell, it has been.... less than effective.

I appreciate the feedback. What kind of savant were you at the time? Did it boost the effective CL?

[ProdigalGuru]

We both play on Ghallanda, you have probably partied with me at least once (Timera or Chastina).

Chastina is an Air Savant, and 9 times out of 10 my Prismatic Spray will land for about 6 Acid damage.

I am assuming the -CL of the Savant is working as intended in that regard.

I am also trying to encourage you to NOTZ load these spells, because it seems the ONE element you really want to hit is NOT the one that you get, every time.

If I had seen it hit ONCE with an element that was useful at the time, I might have some more data on the +CL.

The random nature of these spells REALLY limits their viability.


They sure are pretty though... what we need is a Prismatic Wall, so ALL effects hit whatever passes through it.

[voodoogroves]

We both play on Ghallanda, you have probably partied with me at least once (Timera or Chastina).

Chastina is an Air Savant, and 9 times out of 10 my Prismatic Spray will land for about 6 Acid damage.

I am assuming the -CL of the Savant is working as intended in that regard.

I am also trying to encourage you to NOTZ load these spells, because it seems the ONE element you really want to hit is NOT the one that you get, every time.

If I had seen it hit ONCE with an element that was useful at the time, I might have some more data on the +CL.

The random nature of these spells REALLY limits their viability.


They sure are pretty though... what we need is a Prismatic Wall, so ALL effects hit whatever passes through it.

What got me thinking (I don't use them currently on any toon - my experience has also been ... poor) is the following ...

- It used to be boosted by the force line
- Spells *should* be boosted by whatever AP line is best that applies
- They were *not* listed in the Savant thread as fire/acid/whatever spells. ddowiki, however, now shows them as being "fire" type spells (and elec and acid) ... http://ddowiki.com/page/Prismatic_Ray
- Compendium does not have this information in their spell entries
- They were not listed in Eldadrin's blog post for air/earth/water/whatever spells
- There is no cap listed for the damage
- If ddowiki has them correctly tagged, then in theory their CL should be boosted (well, for everyone but Water savants)


Just the germination of some ideas, but unclear how they may or may not work with Savants.

[voodoogroves]

And I'd love an Initiate of the Seven Fold Veil PRE, but that's not in the cards anytime soon.

[Ridag]

We both play on Ghallanda, you have probably partied with me at least once (Timera or Chastina).

Chastina is an Air Savant, and 9 times out of 10 my Prismatic Spray will land for about 6 Acid damage.

I am assuming the -CL of the Savant is working as intended in that regard.

I am also trying to encourage you to NOTZ load these spells, because it seems the ONE element you really want to hit is NOT the one that you get, every time.

If I had seen it hit ONCE with an element that was useful at the time, I might have some more data on the +CL.

The random nature of these spells REALLY limits their viability.


They sure are pretty though... what we need is a Prismatic Wall, so ALL effects hit whatever passes through it.

That's interesting because I just swapped in Prismatic Spray as an Air Savant to test it for this thread, my Acid ray crit for 1113...

It seems to be taking the damage boosts from the highest enhancement line.

That said, the combat log is not reporting that it is casting at a higher caster level. So it doesn't appear to be receiving any boosts from the savant line.

I've swapped it back out, but have about 30 minutes left on my blood if you want to know anything else.

[Ytteri]

what we need is a Prismatic Wall, so ALL effects hit whatever passes through it.

We would need a massive improvement to monster AI in order for that spell to be viable, so they can't be kited through it. It would be ridiculous if people could use it the same way they did firewall pre-U9.

[voodoogroves]

That's interesting because I just swapped in Prismatic Spray as an Air Savant to test it for this thread, my Acid ray crit for 1113...

It seems to be taking the damage boosts from the highest enhancement line.

That said, the combat log is not reporting that it is casting at a higher caster level. So it doesn't appear to be receiving any boosts from the savant line.

I've swapped it back out, but have about 30 minutes left on my blood if you want to know anything else.

Ok so then maybe it's getting the AP boost but ddowiki is simply incorrect in that it is not considered by the engine to by an air/fire/earth spell. That's cool and good to know.

[Ridag]

Ok so then maybe it's getting the AP boost but ddowiki is simply incorrect in that it is not considered by the engine to by an air/fire/earth spell. That's cool and good to know.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the patch notes said it would get the enhancement boost. I think the wiki just hasn't been updated yet.

[Mister_Peace]

There's a Prismatic Wall in Shroud part 3.