Making a couple of Quest Specific Items Ki Weapons

[jkm]

Specifically

Club of the Holy Flame
Radiant Arc - Rainbow in the Dark

Making these changes will help out monk/clonks in these quest chains (especially new monks in delerras). I sincerely doubt that anyone would ever mistake the club of the holy flame for an epic sword of shadows.

[ProdigalGuru]

Would be a waste of development time considering:

A. You can craft BtA wraps of Pure Good come Monday.

B. Monks can Shadow Walk in Rainbow to see in the dark.

C. You can still complete Delera's without breaking Ghostly Skeleton DR.

D. Other players can hold the light in Rainbow.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Would be a waste of development time considering:

A. You can craft BtA wraps of Pure Good come Monday.

Is this accurate?

When I checked U9Patch1, I was able to craft BtA shards of Pure Good and pass them to another character who could then craft a BtC weapon using that BtA shard.

Unless you happen to have a BtA lootgen set of handwraps in which case, you could already have crafted BtA pure good wraps even before Monday's patch.

[jkm]

Would be a waste of development time considering:

A. You can craft BtA wraps of Pure Good come Monday.

B. Monks can Shadow Walk in Rainbow to see in the dark.

C. You can still complete Delera's without breaking Ghostly Skeleton DR.

D. Other players can hold the light in Rainbow.

1. The person who would be doing this is Genasi (who does items), not content/PrE's/Monsters
2. Most of these are probably database flags that take about 10 minutes total to do depending on performance of the search engine on the item master.
3. He's making passes at epics, so why not include several non-epic items that help new players out
4. Both of these quests came out pre-monk and regression passes for new classes should be a common occurence

[t0r012]

Would be a waste of development time considering:

A. You can craft BtA wraps of Pure Good come Monday. uhhh , yeah as if new level 5 players are going to know how to craft right out of the great

B. Monks can Shadow Walk in Rainbow to see in the dark. yeah I want to wait till level 19 to do a level 16 quest

C. You can still complete Delera's without breaking Ghostly Skeleton DR. you can , but it is much more difficult.


D. Other players can hold the light in Rainbow.
if you don't solo it. personally i'd prefer to trust myself over others.

just some stuff

[Jahmin]

Given what else the Devs are wasting time on, why would this be any different? OP is not unreasonable.

B&D are valid; A&C are not.

[ProdigalGuru]

Not sure how you consider any of my points invalid.....

Pure Good/Holy/Righteous wraps are NOT that expensive.
Completing Delera's ONCE without DR breakers is very likely to reward you with DR breakers for any subsequent run.

While we may differ on what is/isn't a waste of Dev time, I prefer they stick to the list of time wasting efforts they already have instead of adding more wasted time to it.


Oh, and Devil Assault farming can land you wraps, too.

[Xaearth]

Piking Delera's ONCE without DR breakers is very likely to reward you with DR breakers for any subsequent run.

Fixed.

Have you ever been in there on an untwinked monk? Monks get a double penalty for not breaking DR.

Not only is their damage lowered, but, if it is lowered enough (and low rolls on a str build monk is low enough for Ghostly Skeleton DR), they get 0 ki regained from the attack.

Sovereign Host forbid you go in there on a finesse monk without a DR beater, might as well bring a good book to read.

[jkm]

Fixed.

Have you ever been in there on an untwinked monk? Monks get a double penalty for not breaking DR.

Not only is their damage lowered, but, if it is lowered enough (and low rolls on a str build monk is low enough for Ghostly Skeleton DR), they get 0 ki regained from the attack.

Sovereign Host forbid you go in there on a finesse monk without a DR beater, might as well bring a good book to read.

The other issue is that not everyone is lawful good. If you happen to be lawful neutral you are out of luck when it comes to pure good as well as devotion.

[dkyle]

The other issue is that not everyone is lawful good. If you happen to be lawful neutral you are out of luck when it comes to pure good as well as devotion.

Not for Monks. Pure Good on handwraps does not apply a UMD check for non-Good. And Anarchic doesn't impose a neg level.

Devotion has a check, but it's the only one.

[donfilibuster]

Flametouched should be cheap too.The whole club thing seems hinting to it.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Flametouched should be cheap too.The whole club thing seems hinting to it.

Flametouched iron is cheap compared to other metal types - you can get a flametouched iron weapon from the vendors inside the Chronoscope quest.

If you want one of those weapons and you're on Argonessen, send me a PM and I'll mail you one.

[Elaril]

Yes please to the arc. Don't see any reason why the club is necessary, good aligned q staffs are available cheap.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Yes please to the arc. Don't see any reason why the club is necessary, good aligned q staffs are available cheap.

I don't understand why the arc is important as a ki weapon. I equip the arc, run ahead and then swap out to the weapons I want to use for fighting.

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be a ki weapon - I just don't understand what the problem is and probably just need to have someone explain it.

[Elaril]

I don't understand why the arc is important as a ki weapon. I equip the arc, run ahead and then swap out to the weapons I want to use for fighting.

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be a ki weapon - I just don't understand what the problem is and probably just need to have someone explain it.

Because, unless they have changed something since I last did this quest on a ki stanced character, it is very annoying to have to toggle your stance on every time you switch off the arc. Alternately, they could just make it so the arc gives off light if it is in your inventory.

[jkm]

I don't understand why the arc is important as a ki weapon. I equip the arc, run ahead and then swap out to the weapons I want to use for fighting.

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be a ki weapon - I just don't understand what the problem is and probably just need to have someone explain it.

Because you lose all monk abilities while its equipped (Stance/Ki Generation (actually go to maximum loss)/Speed). You then have to reset everything after you unequip it.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Because you lose all monk abilities while its equipped (Stance/Ki Generation (actually go to maximum loss)/Speed). You then have to reset everything after you unequip it.

Swapping weapons back and forth is mildly annoying, but not any serious problem. Having to reset stances and watching your ki drain while holding the arc is a significant problem.

Thank you for the explanation. I have a much better understanding of the issue now.

[jkm]

Yes please to the arc. Don't see any reason why the club is necessary, good aligned q staffs are available cheap.

So are clubs. There is a reason that the club is given in the first place...

[Elaril]

So are clubs. There is a reason that the club is given in the first place...

So maybe change it to a staff of the holy flame? Or make it a ki weapon like you suggested if something absolutely has to be done. Either way would be acceptable, but also unnecessary in my opinion. Its not like anyone, even the newest of new players, will use either past their first or second time through due to the availability of the handwraps in the end reward list.

[dkyle]

The vials of water in Tomb of Blighted decenter Monks when used. Just another annoyance in an incredibly annoying chain of quests...