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    Default I want my 4th level slot flexibility back please...

    With the recent spell revamps, 4th level spell slots are ridiculously tight on Pale Masters. Can't we have a spell like greater death aura at 7th level and greater negative energy burst at 8th level, even if the spells don't really have higher effect values (just copies of the lower level spells)? I just want some 4th level slot flexibility back. (Or return store bought DDoor scrolls, I don't think this would bother anyonen at this point...)

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    You can't have everything I suppose. Also no DDoor scrolls please.
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    I'm not sure how inflexable our level 4 slots are. I get by just fine with Death Aura, Neg energy burst, Ice Storm, Stoneskin and Fire Sheild. If I know I won't need fire sheild I can swap it out for DDoor if needed, but that's rare.

    Though I would still like to see possibly improved versions of the spell, as overpowered pale masters would become with even more incoming healing lol. At least it would provide more options for possible spells at higher levels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabaon View Post
    I'm not sure how inflexable our level 4 slots are. I get by just fine with Death Aura, Neg energy burst, Ice Storm, Stoneskin and Fire Sheild. If I know I won't need fire sheild I can swap it out for DDoor if needed, but that's rare.

    Though I would still like to see possibly improved versions of the spell, as overpowered pale masters would become with even more incoming healing lol. At least it would provide more options for possible spells at higher levels.
    you can buy Stoneskin wands which are very usefull as they dont require you to purchase additional SS casting components and they free up one slot. I find that I run my wiz without SS alot more these days and just rely on Blur/Displace and my neg energy auras to keep up my health.

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    Once you get other DR, Stoneskin becomes less useful.
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    They should just go ahead and allow level X slots to hold spells of level 1-X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    They should just go ahead and allow level X slots to hold spells of level 1-X.
    This is long overdue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    They should just go ahead and allow level X slots to hold spells of level 1-X.
    Ooh negative level spells! Does the negative level Enervation give your enemies class levels? Is it Ranger levels? Cuz I wouldn't wish those on anyone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    They should just go ahead and allow level X slots to hold spells of level 1-X.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    They should just go ahead and allow level X slots to hold spells of level 1-X.
    The core D&D rules do allow you to put lower level spells in higher level spell slots. It would seem to be a reasonable approach for this game as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    The core D&D rules do allow you to put lower level spells in higher level spell slots. It would seem to be a reasonable approach for this game as well.
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    Seeing as my gear doesn't have any form of DR (and I have literally no space for it on my build) Stoneskin works just fine.


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    Gotta pay a price for having everything else, mate

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    Default My two copper...

    What they need to do is redo the system partaining to Wizardry and Power and make them as they are in D&D.

    Examples;

    Ring of Power V ~ +50 Spell Points
    Ring of Wizardry V ~ An Additional 5th Level Spell Slot

    Power adds Spell Points
    Wizardry adds a Spell Slot.

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    There are also feats in PnP which grant additional spell slots. I'd like to see those implemented, along with Practiced Spellcaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entelech View Post
    there Are Also Feats In Pnp Which Grant Additional Spell Slots. I'd Like To See Those Implemented, Along With Practiced Spellcaster.
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    People are hard up for this practiced spellcaster and spell slots. personally I have about 15 spells on my bars I DON'T use... I don't see why we need more spell slots.... really.

    Unless your a sorc, and even then, that doesn't overly matter. You made your choice.

    Edit:Looking at practised spellcaster....seems like a waste of a feat slot just to get a bonus to caster level...
    Last edited by Kabaon; 05-18-2011 at 08:31 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabaon View Post
    Edit:Looking at practised spellcaster....seems like a waste of a feat slot just to get a bonus to caster level...
    The appeal of practiced spellcaster is for multiclassing, in fact that is the only way it works. It gives you (up to) a +4 to casterlevel but cannot raise your caster level higher then your character level, for example a 16/2/2 Caster/??/?? with PS feat would cast their spells at cl 20 instead of cl 16.

    Basically it's a multiclassing twink feat.

    Edit: forgot that it also useful in PnP or NNW games for pre's that do not add a caster lvl at every class lvl like the Eldritch Knight pre
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    Also note that Practiced Spellcaster only raises your caster level for one particular class. A 14/6 who wanted to cast as a 18/10 would have to take the feat twice; and even then wouldn't get more slots, just longer buff durations and more damage dice and higher spellpen etc.
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    I figured it was a multiclassing twink feat, what I don't understand is why it seems popular. If you wanted to play a spellcaster why not just play a spell caster instead of going through the extra work to be almost LIKE a spell caster, but not really.

    Anyway just a pet peeve of mine. I'm sure the feat is really useful and if done right would give an even higher amount of customization to ddo then we already have, but I don't see a rush for it.


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