The Law - Build Feedback

[Ngha]

Well, I think I finally did it, the build that breaks the game. At endgame geared-up and buffed he'll be pushing 500+ HP, 1800+ SP, saves beyond 30(except maybe reflex).

A Nuker/Tank FvS codenamed: The Law

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male 
(2 Monk / 18 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 361 
Spell Points: 1776 

BAB: 14/14/19/24 
Fortitude: 18 
Reflex: 15 
Will: 23 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(28 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength            8                 8 
Dexterity           8                 8 
Constitution       14                15 
Intelligence        8                 8 
Wisdom             18                25 
Charisma           14                17 
 
Level 1 (Monk) 
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 2 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host 
 
Level 3 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell 
 
Level 4 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 5 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 6 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire 
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell 
 
Level 7 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 8 (Monk) 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness 
 
Level 9 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation 
 
Level 10 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 11 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 12 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid 
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell 
 
Level 13 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 14 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 15 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell 
 
Level 16 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 17 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity 
 
Level 18 (Favored Soul) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation 
 
Level 19 (Favored Soul) 
 
Level 20 (Favored Soul) 
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II 
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I 
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II 
Enhaancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III 
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering III 
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma III 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III 
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV

I'd like to thank you all in advance for your feedback. Any suggestions on leveling order, feat swaps, or enhancements will be appreciated. Please tell me if I screwed something up without realizing it, I do that sometimes. Also help making this build even better will be Heartily thanked.

*disclaimer* Any resemblance to an already existing build is purely coincidental. The forums are too hard to search through these days.

[Ngha]

Oh yeah, He'll be UMDing Arcane scrolls. He'll have Evasion as well and he'll use mostly stat enhancing, HP raising, spell strengthening gear, plus a UMD item.

[Ngha]

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[WielderofGigantus]

So what's he supposed to be doing? Blowing **** up with his spells? You might want to add Empower to your list of feats if that's the case. You certainly won't be meleeing anything. All those saving throws, evasion, and tons of hp and you won't even be getting into melee range? Seems like a waste of Completionist. I imagine that Completionist is for characters that actually use more than three stats.

And if you're going be nuking everything to death, it certainly seems a waste to be losing 4 levels to non-casting ability.

[Ngha]

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[Emag]

no wings i stopped reading... wings ftw

[Ngha]

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[voodoogroves]

Don't get me wrong, I like creative builds.

The Golden Roach (same class split but can melee) is a much better tank. It has DPS and essentially the same casting capabilities other than a few WIS-based spells.



Sure, you can do a lot with completionist. How much better would this be simply as a Monk2/FVS 18 Half Elf?

[Emag]

Noone but FvS have wings, and wings are not needed for tanking or casting.

Therefore no wings.

Although for casting you don't need them...Kiting with wings is a very good option.

[Ngha]

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[Entelech]

My question is basically this:

If you're going to be casting-focused, why are you giving up so many caster levels (and the spell penetration, spell points, and high-level spell slots that go with them)?

You do not need the Completionist feat to make a Doorstop Paladin or a Nannybot.

And, to be brutally honest, the 2 Paladin is mostly wasted. Sure, you get a few points of saves, but you could get that just as easily as a Half Elf Paladin Dilettante while DRAMATICALLY improving your casting potential.

[Ngha]

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[skunk]

drop your level 5 feet, put in empower.

Max empower is worth having on any spell caster who is wanting damage.

What use are the 2 energy resist for, what do they give your build? are they giving you more then something else, say a spell focus, or emp heal, or something else that is good?


maybe i don't get what the deal of 600+ hit points. you don't have intimidate, you don't have shield mastery, you don't have a weapon. You should say exactly what you want this to do, other then nuke stuff. You don't need 600 hp, to cast. You don't need monk/pali. they are flavor. how are you going to kill stuff at low levels, whos going to want to team with you when you can't heal well, and can't kill stuff, and the sorc is one hitting everything?

[krisz93]

As far as i know you can achieve the best overal damage with BB and Comet by going 16/4 with 4 levels in sorc for the force line (25% damage, +25% on crits, 7% crit chance). As BB and Flame Strike are capped at 15, you won't lose damage from the lacking caster levels. The loss from Cometfall is around 30, which is compensated by better crits.

AS HE you can pick Pally dilettante for saves, you'd still lose Evasion though

[WielderofGigantus]

I don't kite.

I was under the impression that kiting was required in order to deal damage with Blade Barrier.

Noone but FvS have wings

Wrong, Air Savants get wings.

And do I really need empower if I'm using Maximize?

I've never really been into using Blade Barrier, but all the clerics I've run into that do use it also use Empower and Maximize with it to do as much damage as possible. Plus Favored Souls, unlike Clerics, can get Empower for cheaper spell point costs.

The general Idea is to be a Nuke equipped Tank

Now, I can see an arcane pulling this off, but a divine caster? I have trouble believing that a divine can deal enough damage to hold agro, especially since you have no intimidate skill.

[Teharahma]

Guys, this guy will come to his senses as soon as he has the 15lives done.
Let this thread die.

[pharky]

if you have played a pure fvs, you would know how effective wings are to gameplay, it helps positioning during combat and catching up to teammates when needed which can mean a win or a wipe in an epic quest.

also you have no lv 9 spell slots which means no energy drain and mass heal, and mass heal is probably more sp-effective in quest like Evelah. no energy drain means you will have a hard time using destruction on epic mobs since their saves have been buffed after update 9. also SR is a big problem for epics, especially for drow archers that cant be kited through blade barriers. of course you can ignore all of these if you don't intend to run epics at all. but this is pretty much what my endgame consist of.

are evasion and saves that important to give up 10/dr?

also several other players have made the comment about being unable to hold aggro due to the lack of damage. both tukaw and soul survivor builds are good examples of tank casters but they deal damage by meleeing, not by spamming their mana. if you are going to tank and assuming you can hold aggro, what will happen when you run out of mana? and if you are healing and spamming spells with quicken just because you are tanking, you are going to run out of mana even faster than when you are not tanking. dont forget you have around 500 mana less than a pure fvs, which means you will run out of mana even faster.

when all these happens, what is your exact role in the party? if i want a tank, i would find a melee tank that could hold aggro, if i want a healer, i would prefer a pure one with more mana that will dedicate his blue bar for healing, not nuking. if i want a nuker, i would prefer a sorc or wiz who can deal more dmg than an evoker (more aoe spells, instant nuke and buffs as well). so where do you fit in all of that?

im not saying it cannot be done, but im sure it will be a good challenge. well, at least its not a cookie cutter build.

[pharky]

Guys, this guy will come to his senses as soon as he has the 15lives done.
Let this thread die.

no! i took 30mins to type that out! im not gonna delete it.

[DrNuegebauer]

I don't kite.
.

Not having implosion hurts, but I'll mostly use BB.

??

You'll mostly use BB but you don't kite??

the 2 Pally levels are useless here. Take the Paladin dilly. You'll still be able to UMD anything if you take the skill.

Saves would be well beyond 30 with the 18|2 (FvS|monk) split and Paladin dilly. And you'd easily get 35+ UMD (all you need for arcane scrolls.)
I'm not certain you should be posting your "completionist" build yet when you don't seem to quite know how to calculate your saves?

[natakeu]

Guys, this guy will come to his senses as soon as he has the 15lives done.
Let this thread die.

This!