Evasion for Fighters?

[ShortRanger]

I am currently splashing two levels of rogue to get evasion on my Fighter TR.

I would like to see an enhancement or feat line to open evasion to fighters even if it only kicks in at level 9 or so like for rangers.

I could see requiring the same dex stats as Two weapon fighting to open access to the line.

What does the larger community think about this and what other prerequisites would be appropriate?

[DemonMage]

I'm fine with this, just make the pre-requisites two levels of monk or two levels of rogue and it'll fit in appropriately.

[grodon9999]

I'm fine with this, just make the pre-requisites two levels of monk or two levels of rogue and it'll fit in appropriately.

Agreed, it works out fine this way.

It's called game balance. You want evasion say goodbye to your capstone.

[toughguyjoe]

I am currently splashing two levels of rogue to get evasion on my Fighter TR.

I would like to see an enhancement or feat line to open evasion to fighters even if it only kicks in at level 9 or so like for rangers.

I could see requiring the same dex stats as Two weapon fighting to open access to the line.

What does the larger community think about this and what other prerequisites would be appropriate?

Fighters should have a thing where if they have 16 wisdom at level 11 they can spend 3 AP to gain 1000SP and the ability to cast the Heal(Or Reconstruct) spell.

Giving class features from one class to another is quite a balance issue.

[Malky]

Agreed, it works out fine this way.

It's called game balance. You want evasion say goodbye to your capstone.

The monk active PL feat looks nice for pure builds (i.e. capstone), but i dunno how long it last... any input on that one ? (searched forums but found nothing about duration)

[Aashrym]

There's actually a bard song feat in PnP (do not recall the supplement) called warning shout that provides evasion. I would like to see something like that added. It's a single target effect for a single roll. Game terms might be a 3 second duration to make a mad dash thru a set of traps.

Evasion is typically something you see in high reflex classes as a class skill, and the tend to have a lot stealth skills to go with with. Adding it as an enhancement to more classes takes something away from classes who already have evasion.

If something like that were to be added to the fighter line of enhancements it would likely be as an action boost (limited number of times, short duration) but I'm inclined to leave it more in the domain of stealthy skill classes, personally.

A person can still splash for it. The cost in level is appropriate for the ability.

/not signed

[DemonMage]

The monk active PL feat looks nice for pure builds (i.e. capstone), but i dunno how long it last... any input on that one ? (searched forums but found nothing about duration)

1 minute per use I believe.

[AcesWylde]

I'm fine with this, just make the pre-requisites two levels of monk or two levels of rogue and it'll fit in appropriately.

Agreed, or maybe levels in the Scout class

[ShortRanger]

O.K. no early support......

Well since I do not really run epics, I will not be staying at 20 long enough for the capstone to matter will just do the splash.

Just kinda sucks that they gut the ranger melee then do not give a viable option within fighter for a Light fighter, only heavy and tank.

[grodon9999]

O.K. no early support......

Well since I do not really run epics, I will not be staying at 20 long enough for the capstone to matter will just do the splash.

Just kinda sucks that they gut the ranger melee then do not give a viable option within fighter for a Light fighter, only heavy and tank.

Ranger melee is NOT as gutted as you believe.

[TreknaQudane]

1 minute per use I believe.

This the evasion clicky is actually like 30 seconds.. and it's only one use.

[ShortRanger]

Ranger melee is NOT as gutted as you believe.

The problem is I do not believe melee rangers are totally gutted, just enough to make them low on the list for PUGS. I have seen PUGS with 2 players and the only class they refuse to accept is ranger. For soloing they are great. My guild love both of mine and search me out on other alts (not in the guild) to invite me when they want to bring the DPS.

The problem is the wider player base seems to have 3 overriding beliefs:
The only rangers that exist are AA and are useless/most likely poorly played
There is no such thing as a Melee DPS Ranger
All rangers are squishy

So until these issues get fixed. They are effectively gutted in my eyes.

Hence TRing to 'NOT A RANGER'

And I will continue to TR my rangers to 'NOT A RANGER' (even though they are my preference) until the community either wakes up (which will mean Rangers get a bit of love from the devs) or I leave the game.

[skullzz]

There is one thing with Evasion.

You must be in clothing or light armor. So if your looking to be hit more just to evade something, all the more power to you. Unless your a WF then go for it.

[Alternative]

There was a ring of improved evasion in Neverwinter Nights 2, how awesome would that be!

/not signed by the way as the request makes no sense whatsoever, why should fighters get evasion and barbs/paladins/wizards/etc not?

[Astraghal]

Can Fighters actually sustain a high enough Reflex save to make Evasion worthwhile in end game stuff?

I've never played an evasion toon so I don't know what numbers are needed.

[skullzz]

Can Fighters actually sustain a high enough Reflex save to make Evasion worthwhile in end game stuff?

I've never played an evasion toon so I don't know what numbers are needed.

My Intimtank build has a 23 reflex right now w/o gh or other buffs.

[Asketes]

O.K. no early support......

Well since I do not really run epics, I will not be staying at 20 long enough for the capstone to matter will just do the splash.

Just kinda sucks that they gut the ranger melee then do not give a viable option within fighter for a Light fighter, only heavy and tank.

Con is not a dumpstat

if you are TR'ing a bunch, get a 45 resist item and maybe an absorption item

[Astraghal]

My Intimtank build has a 23 reflex right now w/o gh or other buffs.

Isn't that low though?

[Der_Incubo]

my 16bard/2rog/2barb has a 32 reflex (unbuffed) that works out fine, been a few times in epics i failed the save, but had enough hp to soak it.

[ShortRanger]

I'm o.k. with pallies and the others getting evasion training as an option so long as it takes multipule feats and/or enhancements to get it.

Just strikes me as odd that a fighter or any other physically orientated class can not train to deflect or evade incoming damage, only if you splash rogue x2, monk x2 or ranger x9.

If done as an enhancement or feat CHAIN, you would still need to give up other abilities within the class because of lack of feats or Action Points. Should you be required to give up a Capstone to get evasion?

Light armor is fine. My ranger's' AC is fine in light mith (either chain or breast plate) they loose a point or 2 of AC going to Mith full plate and Evasion.

The problem is not melee damage incoming it's meteor swarms and things like that.



With Dex for Two Weapon fighting they should be able to make the reflex saves.