My Repeater Rogue Weeps every time you ignore him devs :(

[Failedlegend]

Hey guys, dev types of all sorts any news/progress on the various crippling repeater bugs and possible on the rumoured/hinted at ranged combat pass.

Note: Just curious...even a nope those bugs are here to stay move on response would be better than nothing (although i'd prefer good news :P)

[Creadance]

We are still waiting for the Trowing stars to be added to Classs Items for rewards turn in.

[Chai]

They actually had that repeater bug fixed once, then they found out that the fix broke something else even worse so they rolled it back, which broke repeaters again.

I would love to see a ranged combat pass where the damage potential moves closer to melee. Ranged currently rewquires MORE feats than melee does to be viable and even then, the character can still equip a two hander with NO FEATS and do MORE DAMAGE.

[Missing_Minds]

I would love to see a ranged combat pass where the damage potential moves closer to melee. Ranged currently rewquires MORE feats than melee does to be viable and even then, the character can still equip a two hander with NO FEATS and do MORE DAMAGE.

To slightly play devils advocate, anyone can pick up a knife and cut something sucessfully.
But not everyone can pick up a bow or crossbow and use it without hurting themself.

This, however, only covers proficiency.

[Eladrin]

...any news/progress on the various crippling repeater bugs...

I can talk a little about that...

I've completely rescripted crossbows and repeating crossbows for Update 11. The desynchronization issues that have plagued repeaters should be a thing of the past.

We've changed their use behavior a bit though - crossbow use will been broken apart into two actions: Fire, and Reload. This lets you load a crossbow, run around with it, fire off a quick opening shot when you see a monster, and then immediately start casting spells (if applicable) or switch to a different weapon, instead of having to wait for the reload animation to complete. The "attack" button handles both of these. (Click to attack, then click to reload. If you hold the mouse button down or use autoattack, it should smoothly go from one to the other.)

Repeating Crossbows will always fire their three round burst with a single "attack" action. Click! Thunk-thunk-thunk. Click! Reload. As before, repeating crossbows function as regular crossbows in the hands of a non-proficient user.

Rapid Reload is now also significantly more noticeable.

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

[Missing_Minds]

I can talk a little about that...

I've completely rescripted crossbows and repeating crossbows for Update 11. The desynchronization issues that have plagued repeaters should be a thing of the past.

We've changed their use behavior a bit though - crossbow use will been broken apart into two actions: Fire, and Reload. This lets you load a crossbow, run around with it, fire off a quick opening shot when you see a monster, and then immediately start casting spells (if applicable) or switch to a different weapon, instead of having to wait for the reload animation to complete. The "attack" button handles both of these. (Click to attack, then click to reload. If you hold the mouse button down or use autoattack, it should smoothly go from one to the other.)

Repeating Crossbows will always fire their three round burst with a single "attack" action. Click! Thunk-thunk-thunk. Click! Reload. As before, repeating crossbows function as regular crossbows in the hands of a non-proficient user.

Rapid Reload is now also significantly more noticeable.

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

Did you rescript bows also for that same effect? I get sick and tired of having to spam the "switch weapon" or "spell" to get the desired new effect.

And thank you for the update.

[Failedlegend]

I can talk a little about that...

I've completely rescripted crossbows and repeating crossbows for Update 11. The desynchronization issues that have plagued repeaters should be a thing of the past.

We've changed their use behavior a bit though - crossbow use will been broken apart into two actions: Fire, and Reload. This lets you load a crossbow, run around with it, fire off a quick opening shot when you see a monster, and then immediately start casting spells (if applicable) or switch to a different weapon, instead of having to wait for the reload animation to complete. The "attack" button handles both of these. (Click to attack, then click to reload. If you hold the mouse button down or use autoattack, it should smoothly go from one to the other.)

Repeating Crossbows will always fire their three round burst with a single "attack" action. Click! Thunk-thunk-thunk. Click! Reload. As before, repeating crossbows function as regular crossbows in the hands of a non-proficient user.

Rapid Reload is now also significantly more noticeable.

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

Wahoo thanks eladrin my little halfling rogue will be sitting waiting for U11 to roll around.

Also cool addition to Great Xbows...to bad theirs no great repeater xbow lol. *cough* Unique addition to Mech 3*cough*

The 3 round burst fix is pretty cool..also boost to Rapid reload...woot

[Missing_Minds]

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

Boom, headshot.

Could you make it have a save for knock over on any crit? I am just guessing that the rate of fire is low enough to where that wouldn't be over powered.

[Missing_Minds]

The 3 round burst fix is pretty cool..also boost to Rapid reload...woot

Which would mean, the current incarnation of deepwood sniper, you could trigger a crit range 16-20 (assuming you have improved crit), x3 crit mulitiplyer volly of 3 bolts, each with +4 to hit, whenever that timer is up.

[Asketes]

Boom, headshot.

Could you make it have a save for knock over on any crit? I am just guessing that the rate of fire is low enough to where that wouldn't be over powered.

wish granted

it's a DC 13 fort save

problem is, the DC would have to scale with character level with a very pronounced jump once you hit level 19/20

[Coldin]

I can talk a little about that...

I've completely rescripted crossbows and repeating crossbows for Update 11. The desynchronization issues that have plagued repeaters should be a thing of the past.

We've changed their use behavior a bit though - crossbow use will been broken apart into two actions: Fire, and Reload. This lets you load a crossbow, run around with it, fire off a quick opening shot when you see a monster, and then immediately start casting spells (if applicable) or switch to a different weapon, instead of having to wait for the reload animation to complete. The "attack" button handles both of these. (Click to attack, then click to reload. If you hold the mouse button down or use autoattack, it should smoothly go from one to the other.)

Repeating Crossbows will always fire their three round burst with a single "attack" action. Click! Thunk-thunk-thunk. Click! Reload. As before, repeating crossbows function as regular crossbows in the hands of a non-proficient user.

Rapid Reload is now also significantly more noticeable.

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

That sounds much nicer. Hopefully it will get rid of all those lost shots. It is probably a small detriment that we won't be able to fire individual shots, but that's a pretty minor in most situations.

*crosses fingers that the changes work out*

Any chance Bows got looked into as well for improvements?

[Ookami007]

Daddy drinks because you cry.

[Failedlegend]

About the 3 round burst in a single shot....how does that function with the Deep wood sniper clicky "sniper shot"

Performs a ranged attack with a +4 bonus to hit, +1 to critical threat range, and +1 to critical threat multiplier.

Would it effect all three "hits" since its only one "attack"

Also while im at it if i have a repeater that has an effect that does...say 1d6 flaming damage or say disruption will that proc on all 3 "hits"

[Geonis]

I can talk a little about that...

I've completely rescripted crossbows and repeating crossbows for Update 11. The desynchronization issues that have plagued repeaters should be a thing of the past.

We've changed their use behavior a bit though - crossbow use will been broken apart into two actions: Fire, and Reload. This lets you load a crossbow, run around with it, fire off a quick opening shot when you see a monster, and then immediately start casting spells (if applicable) or switch to a different weapon, instead of having to wait for the reload animation to complete. The "attack" button handles both of these. (Click to attack, then click to reload. If you hold the mouse button down or use autoattack, it should smoothly go from one to the other.)

Repeating Crossbows will always fire their three round burst with a single "attack" action. Click! Thunk-thunk-thunk. Click! Reload. As before, repeating crossbows function as regular crossbows in the hands of a non-proficient user.

Rapid Reload is now also significantly more noticeable.

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

Sounds great..... except for the whole "Update 11" part

I still play my level 19 repeater character, and rarely see the bug pop up.... 13 Rgr/6 Rog, so a BAB of 17.

I still think it may be BAB related, where a higher BAB procs the bug less, which was semi proven through use of a Divine POwer clicky and seeing the bug less often (though I did not do it enough to be concrete proof).

[Aashrym]

Great Crossbows (in the hands of a proficient user) now knock most opponents over on a confirmed natural 20, no save.

Any deepwood sniper enhancements coming to synch up with that ability by any chance? A take 20 ability from stealth with range might be fun if it's possible. Just a thought and maybe some fishing going on there.

[Aashrym]

Boom, headshot.

Could you make it have a save for knock over on any crit? I am just guessing that the rate of fire is low enough to where that wouldn't be over powered.

I was wondering that too. DC check based on DEX maybe to go with the crit.

[donfilibuster]

Also cool addition to Great Xbows...to bad theirs no great repeater xbow lol. *cough* Unique addition to Mech 3*cough*

That'd be one size short of a ballista, but that's a cool weapon to have

[binnsr]

Boom, headshot.

Only if we get a echoing voice broadcasting 'HEADSHOT' across the instance!

[Failedlegend]

Only if we get a echoing voice broadcasting 'HEADSHOT' across the instance!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obqJtc2wuXg

[BananaHat]

Could update 11 be the fabled range pass? I'm glad something is being done for great crossbows. I had actually envisioned a named great crossbow named Ballista that did something similar (knocking down on crits with a save) with the 5d6 base damage of ballistas from the DMG.

Speaking of which, are any named great crossbows with unique abilities being put in the game to support this sad exotic weapon? Maybe someone in the office should compile a list of all named loot by specific weapon type and see where deficiencies can be shored up. Adding new and unique abilities is why people seek named stuff over randomly generated items. In fact, I swear I saw a post a while ago that broke down named weapons by type. Wouldn't be hard to redo from the named loot thread.

I have a greatsword user and I appreciate all the named loot love, but there is a reason I've shelved my Great Crossbow DWS at level 11 despite twinking him with sweet great crossbows.