lol...the secret to the most efficient levelling

[pjw]

Where, Efficient = minimum resources, maximum repetitive strain injury.

The bad news is that to get to level 70, you will need to craft 22,288 shards.

The good news is that you will only need approximately 6900 lesser shards in the appropriate school.

All your experience will come from deconstructing shards.

To test this I built 200 'Greater Impact I' shards. Total cost 200 Siberys and 800 Lesser Arcane.

I then deconstructed them; got 200 XP, 404 Lesser and 67 Greater. Then I turned the greater into lessers, leaving me with a total of 739 Lessers.

So, I got 200XP for 61 Lessers. Keep doing this, 22,288 times, and you will hit level 70 for about 1/3rd the normal cost.

Serious Bit

I think this just illustrates another reason why the returns should be based on the actual inputs of a recipe. This should apply at both low and high levels.

If I put 4 Lessers and 0 Greaters into something I should get 1-2 lessers and ZERO greaters back.

If I put 80 Lessers and 10 greaters into something, I should get (say) 24 Lessers and 3 greaters (30%) back.

[kinar]

I built 200 'Greater Impact I' shards. Total cost 200 Siberys and 800 Lesser Arcane.

I then deconstructed them; got 200 XP, 739 Lessers.

So, I got 200XP for 61 Lessers. Keep doing this, 22,288 times, and you will hit level 70 for about 1/3rd the normal cost.

so 1xp per deconstruction?

[Aeolwind]

so 1xp per deconstruction?

1xp per level of essences.

[I_Bob]

A very sincere Thank You for doing this. It will save me a lot of trouble. I had no idea. I thought it might take 1k or 2k times. Now knowing that I have to do this 22,288 times to get to level 70, no way am I going to even begin to craft. What a waste of time! At first I thought this could be fun. But to get to level will take many, many very boring hours, days, weeks, forget it. I already have a boring job for which I at least get paid. Again, thanks for the info. You saved me a lot of time. +1 to you.

[pjw]

A very sincere Thank You for doing this. It will save me a lot of trouble. I had no idea. I thought it might take 1k or 2k times. Now knowing that I have to do this 22,288 times to get to level 70, no way am I going to even begin to craft. What a waste of time! At first I thought this could be fun. But to get to level will take many, many very boring hours, days, weeks, forget it. I already have a boring job for which I at least get paid. Again, thanks for the info. You saved me a lot of time. +1 to you.

It would only take 24 hours of clicking once every 4 seconds. What's the big deal?

But, if you prefer, you could try crafting as it was intended...by making shards. It would probably be quicker, and certainly more fun. My particular strategy is unconventional, to say the least.

Edit: to clarify...if you make shards, you should get to 70 with only a few hundred constructed. Not 22k as per my alternate strategy...

[Junts]

It would only take 24 hours of clicking once every 4 seconds. What's the big deal?

But, if you prefer, you could try crafting as it was intended...by making shards. It would probably be quicker, and certainly more fun. My particular strategy is unconventional, to say the least.

Edit: to clarify...if you make shards, you should get to 70 with only a few hundred constructed. Not 22k as per my alternate strategy...

The reductions in cost must be drastic, then, since I've made around 450 on live to be at 35/35/30.

[pjw]

The reductions in cost must be drastic, then, since I've made around 450 on live to be at 35/35/30.

I think lithic said he got to 50/50/50 on live with a little over 800 shards constructed...so roughly 270 per school. I will check later exactly how many I think it would take now.

As far as cost reductions go, the only changes were to usage of Lessers: recipes using 16 now use 12, 64 became 32, 256 became 80, 1024 became 192 and 2048 became 224. As per my other post I think they should be further reduced to 12/32/64/96/128 or 12/32/80/128/176 so that levels above 75 don't get silly.

[Junts]

I think lithic said he got to 50/50/50 on live with a little over 800 shards constructed...so roughly 270 per school. I will check later exactly how many I think it would take now.

As far as cost reductions go, the only changes were to usage of Lessers: recipes using 16 now use 12, 64 became 32, 256 became 80, 1024 became 192 and 2048 became 224. As per my other post I think they should be further reduced to 12/32/64/96/128 or 12/32/80/128/176 so that levels above 75 don't get silly.

Im not too worried then, I've just been hoarding for the last week or so and intend to continue since there isn't anything I might want to make until the level caps are raised that I can't already make.

[Beldain]

The reductions in cost must be drastic, then, since I've made around 450 on live to be at 35/35/30.

Drastic once you get to the upper levels, minor change on recipes under 40ish..

Example - Greater Twilight was 4096, its either 220ish or 290ish now, can't remember exactly.. the 2048 recipes are now 224, which is a huuuuuuge help in upper range levelling...

[Wurmwood]

Well I am not sure if people would actually take the time to sit there and make 22k shards, but you never know. I do however see people crafting a few hundred at a time every few days and doing this during downtime.

[Marten]

Just to see how this process works I am going to try it for a few levels.

As a trial run I took 401 lesser Divine and mad 100 level 8 shards, deconned them and got back 49 greater and 191 lesser, so for 100 Siberys Dragonshard Fragments and 15 lesser essences I got 100 Divine crafting exp. Rough estimate is a level every 90 mins if you can keep from going crazy from click-boredom!

See you in the funny papers!

Last night:


Now: and about 12 hrs later, with breaks!


So, a level every 2 hrs as the half-orc flies. Greater essence appear to have about a 40% return rate on a shard made with 4 lesser essences.

Can it be done? Yes. Should it be done? Meh. To prevent this, if they decided to prevent this, level one shards should have a less than 10% greater essence chance or none at all.

Edit
Just a small update: In one run I had 2140 Lesser = 535 Improved Devotion I Shards. Deconed them and converted Greater Essences to have 2012 Lesser = 503 Improved Devotion I Shards. That is a lose of 6% on that run.

[pjw]

Just to see how this process works I am going to try it for a few levels.

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So, a level every 2 hrs as the half-orc flies. Greater essence appear to have about a 40% return rate on a shard made with 4 lesser essences.
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Brave effort.

It has the big advantage that it can be done while reading a book. But, it is insanely slow.

I do think the best solution would be let shards and items return an amount of essences proportional to those that went into the item. Then, problem solved.

[Crann]

To test this I built 200 'Greater Impact I' shards. Total cost 200 Siberys and 800 Lesser Arcane.

I then deconstructed them; got 200 XP, 404 Lesser and 67 Greater.

Would this be an efficient means of turning lessers into greaters?

I have a couple categories where I have a large number of lessers, and dont have the greaters to make things with.

How are others dealing with the ratio disparity?

[Glenalth]

Not having an issue with this or even seeing a reason to fix it; you've turned a somewhat annoying grind into a massive one.

[GotSomeQuestions]

Would this be an efficient means of turning lessers into greaters?

No. While you can start with lessers, and end with greaters, it would be more efficient to just smash your fingers with a hammer directly, instead of clicking all those times. It takes like half an hour to craft and crunch those 200 shards, you'd be better off farming plat and buying the greaters off the ah at that rate (and you'd probably pull some from chests, too).

[pjw]

Would this be an efficient means of turning lessers into greaters?

lol...well...it depends on what you consider efficient.

One run through the Vale rares will get you a few greaters and be fun and take not very long at all.

This method will turn (very roughly, on average) 6 Lessers into 1 Greater, which is not a bad exchange rate, but as people have said, it is not for the faint hearted. You are looking at a minimum of 8 seconds per shard (create/destroy) + overhead.

A more interesting approach might be to train a parrot to peck the mouse button every 4 seconds.

With a friendly parrot, and perhaps a week or two of training, you can probably level all your crafting schools quite efficiently while you sleep.

[Lithic]

lol...well...it depends on what you consider efficient.

One run through the Vale rares will get you a few greaters and be fun and take not very long at all.

This method will turn (very roughly, on average) 6 Lessers into 1 Greater, which is not a bad exchange rate, but as people have said, it is not for the faint hearted. You are looking at a minimum of 8 seconds per shard (create/destroy) + overhead.

A more interesting approach might be to train a parrot to peck the mouse button every 4 seconds.

With a friendly parrot, and perhaps a week or two of training, you can probably level all your crafting schools quite efficiently while you sleep.

Its drinking the water!



*Idea!*

[Phemt81]

Yawn... wake me up when haste clickies are available...

[Marten]

lol...well...it depends on what you consider efficient.

One run through the Vale rares will get you a few greaters and be fun and take not very long at all.

This method will turn (very roughly, on average) 6 Lessers into 1 Greater, which is not a bad exchange rate, but as people have said, it is not for the faint hearted. You are looking at a minimum of 8 seconds per shard (create/destroy) + overhead.

A more interesting approach might be to train a parrot to peck the mouse button every 4 seconds.

With a friendly parrot, and perhaps a week or two of training, you can probably level all your crafting schools quite efficiently while you sleep.

Its drinking the water!



*Idea!*

Riddle me this...

"while I will not let you slumber, come November I am Fiver-two times better than a wood-pecker."

Oh, yes I did get about 5 hours sleep:



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[Wizzly_Bear]

How do you decon greater essences? I tried to no avail last night. I really don't have the time or patience for this method, but would be nice to know if I'm low on lessers later on.