DR bypassing handwraps are near impossible to find

[Shadowspawned]

Yes, at least have silver threaded wraps drop with the same rate as other weapons so that monks can craft their own beaters.

Agreed, but first they'll need to fix crafted handwraps. Currently the alignment component (holy, anarchic, etc.) isn't working for the purposes of breaking the corresponding DR type, making those +4 silver threaded holy EOB wraps that you might have been slaving for weeks to craft pretty well worthless.

[slimkj]

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them. A silver khopesh says it's silver, handwraps don't. It's impossible to search for them on the auction house and for end rewards you must mouse over each one. It's possible that users have passed up DR breaking handwraps because they saw something else shiny that they wanted. If they only saw silver in the name they would have been snapped up.

Wait, WHAT?

All those effing renown tokens I've taken without so much as giving the apparently crappy handwraps a second glance.

[Hendrik]

I like this idea.

Genesai has been posting about some Epic revamp of loot, maybe he would be the guy to shoot this idea toward OP.

[MsEricka]

Agreed, but first they'll need to fix crafted handwraps

Yes they do, but since game changes take months to happen, one would expect that the crafting would be fixed by the time silver threaded and cold iron threaded handwraps could be added to the loot tables.

Wait, WHAT?

All those effing renown tokens I've taken without so much as giving the apparently crappy handwraps a second glance.

That's correct! You need to mouse over every single darn pair to see if they're useful or not, unlike every other weapon in the game that says they're silver in the title.

[khaldan]

Yes they do, but since game changes take months to happen, one would expect that the crafting would be fixed by the time silver threaded and cold iron threaded handwraps could be added to the loot tables.



That's correct! You need to mouse over every single darn pair to see if they're useful or not, unlike every other weapon in the game that says they're silver in the title.

... Just so I'm not going to feel like a complete idiot, this only matters for devil assualt, right?

[thandros]

the probably has to do with teh disparity of metaline between wraps and non wraps
for most weapons metaline is a +3 level ability for example you can easly find a level 4 metaline short sword for example. But for wraps if i remember correctly the minimum level for metaline is 8 or 10? this making it harder to final metaline wraps in random dropswith decent sufixes. Ill have to check again when i am next able to log in

[Tunst]

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them. A silver khopesh says it's silver, handwraps don't.

no.
very wrong.
i have a pair of handwraps, and their title is, word for word:
"+3 Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good"



i agree with the rest on the other hand. maybe not about catacombs, but make them drop from more places.
/signed.

[Codect]

no.
very wrong.
i have a pair of handwraps, and their title is, word for word:
"+3 Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good"

That would be due to the lack of a prefix on your handwraps.

[MsEricka]

Just so I'm not going to feel like a complete idiot, this only matters for devil assualt, right?

See below, but I've seen silver threaded handwraps with a prefix and suffix and they do not state silver threaded in their title.

i have a pair of handwraps, and their title is, word for word:
"+3 Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good"

That's because they have no prefix. See they're bloody rare, so I didn't know if they would say silver threaded if they had no prefix.

[Cardtrick]

... Just so I'm not going to feel like a complete idiot, this only matters for devil assualt, right?

Right -- silver-threaded wraps can currently only drop from Devil Assault.

However, it's now worth hovering over pretty much all items in the end reward lists, in all content, to find those with medium or large guild augment slots. These are very useful with the new crafting system, regardless of their prefixes and suffixes, and depending on the item they sell quite well.

[Diyon]

Right -- silver-threaded wraps can currently only drop from Devil Assault.

However, it's now worth hovering over pretty much all items in the end reward lists, in all content, to find those with medium or large guild augment slots. These are very useful with the new crafting system, regardless of their prefixes and suffixes, and depending on the item they sell quite well.

I recall reading someone finding one of the stealthy silver-threaded handwraps in their shroud end reward once. So it may be that they are in the general loot table but very very rare, and probably almost always overlooked. I presume said rare drop rate is higher for DA.

In any case, I think yes, the threaded wraps should be rarer than for other weapons, however, they shouldn't be so rare that I should never expect to to see them. They need to be a good bit less rare IMO.

Also on that note. Quarterstaves really need the metallic material types, its not really excusable. At least with the wraps it kind of makes sense that it would be rarer, and it would make sense with staffs if all they were made out of was wood. But they aren't. Its fairly easily to find steel quarterstaves in game. Yes, staff users can make MinIIs, but this is really still something that should be fixed. It shouldn't even be that hard to fix, wraps at least had the excuse for awhile because they worked completely differently from every other weapon type.

Also, whoever said you can buy silver staffs in the store, awesome, I had no idea. I will now take it into consideration.

[oradafu]

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.

Yes, that's mostly true, and it's very unfortunate. I hope it's an oversight that will be fixed as part of the crafting overhaul. I've made some nice +3 Holy Silver/Cold Iron of Outsider Bane greatswords for my Lord of Blades alt, and I miss them on my staff-wielding main character.

You may or may not be aware that there is a way around this, but it requires paying real-life money. I haven't done it yet, but it's an option. Blessed Silver Quarterstaffs are available in the DDO store, and they are indeed craftable. They are currently the only way I know of to have a craftable silver quarterstaff.

I brought up in the forum a while ago that there were no randomly generated quarterstaves in the game. Someone pointed out that they do drop as an end reward in Deleras and even had a pic to prove it. After learning this, I have been grind Deleras as often as I can on as many characters as I can. They do drop, but...
1) The staves are Bound to Account. This is both good because they will never get permanent damage and bad because they are not tradeable.
2) The staves do not state if they are metal-based until you actually look at the full description. It's much like the handwraps in this way.
3) I have only seen proof of one randomly generated Cold Iron staff (shown on the forums) and one Byshek staff (one I found in Delera). I finally found it after a year of searching for one and being pointed to Deleras, it took several runs through the chain, but I did get the Byshek staff. Unfortunately, after several other runs, I have yet to find a Cold Iron, Silver or Adamantine staves. I guess there can also be Flametouched Iron staff, but until Metalline is craftable Flametouched can't break DR.

So metal-based quarterstaves are as equally as hard to find as handwraps, with similar issues as handwraps. Hopefully the Devs will put some focus on both of these weapons.

[Relenthe]

make a light monk.

[CanuckWench]

/signed

As one of those people that have done Shadow Crypt over 100 times and still no wraps i support this message!

[JollySwagMan]

The funny thing is, it would seem like sewing silver into some handwraps would be easier than forging a silver sword. I'm no tailor/smith so I could be wrong.

If Druids were going to be released any time soon, I could see perhaps a lycanthrope-themed adventure pack which includes a silver blank shop (a la Chronoscope and flametouched iron weapons)...? However thematic this seems to me, it's probably unbalancing.

What I would really enjoy would be an update of some Collectors to give randomly generated silver/cold iron/byeshk etc. weapons, in flavours other than throwing weapons. Tara Wightraven in House D seems a sensible candidate. I like how the crafting update has made some collectibles more useful to the general DDO population. (I've noticed that some collectibles can be put into the Shards altar, even though no recipes involving them exist yet. Might want to make note of those)

[Diyon]

The funny thing is, it would seem like sewing silver into some handwraps would be easier than forging a silver sword. I'm no tailor/smith so I could be wrong.

You would be right there, provided you were making a sword out of solid silver. In PnP, you had weapons that had been "silvered" or essentially, silver plated, and they got like -1 damage.

[Therrias]

( Edit: You know something is controversial when you get both positive and negative reputation for it.)

[Relenthe]

That's what Shintao is for.

Be careful don't say that in this thread, I got neg repped for saying make a light monk lol

[MsEricka]

Using an excuse like Shintao is not the same as having items in the game that should exist, you're trolling in the wrong thread with responses like that.

The facts are that these handwraps are in the loot tables and are not dropping at any appreciable amount and many people want the drop rate increased either within Devil Assault or added to general loot tables.

I'd be fine with doing Devils Assault 10 times to find a pair of silver threaded or cold iron threaded handwraps. However I've run the quest probably hundreds of times because I want the loot and I enjoy the quest and not once have I seen DR breaking handwraps.

[Boegvar]

Monks need more hight level named wraps, because there are no min2 wraps.
I think its ok, that wraps for dark monks are so rare. If you cant find wraps use short swords for bosses and switch to wraps for tod.
Every pre should have advantages and disadvantages to the other pre.
If you want to minmax stay shintao until you get your holy burst on the tod rings and then lesser reincarnated or switch feats, you get every kind of dragonshard needed for 75 argo favor so you wont need to spend tp, and one feat exchange is free.
If you want to complain about the drop rate its fine, i run weapons shipment more than 80 times with my fvs and got no bauble, i run oob about 80 times and dont got spectral gloves, some are lucky, some dont.