please remove harassing posts from PVP forums

[protokon]

or make a sticky that says any anti-pvp comments in a legitimate post discussing it is considered trolling, since closing a few threads wasn't clear enough.

edit: conversely, personal attacks on anti-pvp comments should also now be allowed.

[Therigar]

This has my support.

People opposed to PvP should simply ignore the PvP forums. For those unable to do so it should be against forum rules to post anti-PvP comments as it inhibits the right of others to post and impacts their enjoyment of the game.

Or, to quote Tolero, "While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community." Those posting anti-PvP messages in the PvP section clearly violate this standard.

[protokon]

This has my support.

People opposed to PvP should simply ignore the PvP forums. For those unable to do so it should be against forum rules to post anti-PvP comments as it inhibits the right of others to post and impacts their enjoyment of the game.

Or, to quote Tolero, "While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community." Those posting anti-PvP messages in the PvP section clearly violate this standard.

it really goes back to the old saying.

"if you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all".

[Uska]

We arent trolls just because we post against pvp in pvp threads we are making are thoughts clear we are against any and all dev time spent on pvp if we dont post then it could be taken as silent support for the thread. If someone posts a thread they had better be prepared for both negative and positive responses to it otherwise they shouldnt post at all.

Pvp fans should be allowed to ask for they want but if people like me want to post against it wwe should be allowed as well and both sides need to be repectiful when they post.

[Trillea]

"While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community."

I have the same right to express my dislike of PvP and request its removal as much as I expressed my dislike and requested the removal of the Offer Wall. Now PvP is not as bad as the offer wall as it does not threaten personal security, but I have every right to ask for its removal, as the Devs have every right to ignore my request as I am sure they will.

[Uska]

This has my support.

People opposed to PvP should simply ignore the PvP forums. For those unable to do so it should be against forum rules to post anti-PvP comments as it inhibits the right of others to post and impacts their enjoyment of the game.

Or, to quote Tolero, "While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community." Those posting anti-PvP messages in the PvP section clearly violate this standard.

Wrong if we dont voice are opinion it could be taken that we arent against furthering of pvp and any dev time spent on pvp takes away from my enjoyment of the game. You have the right to ask for pvp stuff and I have the right to speak againt it.

[Fridas]

I don't play PVP, but they should be allowed to have a forum and not be harassed all the time. Disagreements are fine and everyone's own opinion is fine, but respecting each others opinion rarely happens.

[protokon]

We arent trolls just because we post against pvp in pvp threads we are making are thoughts clear we are against any and all dev time spent on pvp if we dont post then it could be taken as silent support for the thread. If someone posts a thread they had better be prepared for both negative and positive responses to it otherwise they shouldnt post at all.

Pvp fans should be allowed to ask for they want but if people like me want to post against it wwe should be allowed as well and both sides need to be repectiful when they post.

your last comment is the entire point of my post - there is a big difference between saying:

/not signed, i don't like the idea of development time spent tweaking PVP because it interferes with the development of other content

and:

/not signed, pvp should die and OP is a troll for posting anything about tweaking PVP

it's just ridiculous how disrespectful people get over something that supposedly people don't care about.

[unknownturok]

We arent trolls just because we post against pvp in pvp threads we are making are thoughts clear we are against any and all dev time spent on pvp if we dont post then it could be taken as silent support for the thread. If someone posts a thread they had better be prepared for both negative and positive responses to it otherwise they shouldnt post at all.

Pvp fans should be allowed to ask for they want but if people like me want to post against it wwe should be allowed as well and both sides need to be repectiful when they post.

^this

[SilkofDrasnia]

your last comment is the entire point of my post - there is a big difference between saying:

/not signed, i don't like the idea of development time spent tweaking PVP because it interferes with the development of other content

and:

/not signed, pvp should die and OP is a troll for posting anything about tweaking PVP

it's just ridiculous how disrespectful people get over something that supposedly people don't care about.

this and well said (it goes both ways too)

[Postumus]

Wrong if we dont voice are opinion it could be taken that we arent against furthering of pvp and any dev time spent on pvp takes away from my enjoyment of the game. You have the right to ask for pvp stuff and I have the right to speak againt it.

Wrong. Simply not participating in PVP forums is sufficient to demonstrate your lack of support.


Simply voting 'no' to poll threads requesting more PvP content is sufficient to demonstrate your feelings.


Trolling under the flimsy rationalization of 'protesting' isn't fooling anyone and it is certainly not necessary.


There have already been edicts by the moderators for people who are anti-PVP to stop this type of behavior b/c it's clear to everyone what it is.

[Postumus]

I don't play PVP, but they should be allowed to have a forum and not be harassed all the time. Disagreements are fine and everyone's own opinion is fine, but respecting each others opinion rarely happens.

Same here. Not a big PVPer, but the harassment has become ridiculous. Let them have their forum.

[Uska]

Wrong. Simply not participating in PVP forums is sufficient to demonstrate your lack of support.


Simply voting 'no' to poll threads requesting more PvP content is sufficient to demonstrate your feelings.


Trolling under the flimsy rationalization of 'protesting' isn't fooling anyone and it is certainly not necessary.


There have already been edicts by the moderators for people who are anti-PVP to stop this type of behavior b/c it's clear to everyone what it is.

I have to disagree with you and I have never been warned about or had any of my posts against pvp removed as I am just voicing against my opinion when someone suggests something for pvp if I cant say something against it then they shouldnt be allowed to say it in the first place.

[Uska]

Same here. Not a big PVPer, but the harassment has become ridiculous. Let them have their forum.

They have their fourm and can ask all they want, it is not harassment to post agaisnt something and if someone thinks so then they need to look up the word again to see what it really mean.s

[khaldan]

This thread has gone on long enough. Players should be allowed to discuss suggestions to improve PvP in this section of the forums, as long as they are following the forum guidelines. Players should not be replying with off-topic statements, including statements that are nothing more than essentially "I don't like PvP." Personal attacks and the like are also not allowed, of course.

I'm all for arguing against pvp, or arguing for it. The part in bold is what people really need to stop doing.

[Postumus]

I have the same right to express my dislike of PvP and request its removal...

Not in the PvP forum you don't. And not over and over and over and over... that's considered harassment.

This has been addressed several times by the moderators - every time one of these threads pops up.

You won't win this argument, so you may as well just let PvP players have their ONE thread and let it go.

[Hendrik]

We arent trolls just because we post against pvp in pvp threads we are making are thoughts clear we are against any and all dev time spent on pvp if we dont post then it could be taken as silent support for the thread. If someone posts a thread they had better be prepared for both negative and positive responses to it otherwise they shouldnt post at all.

Pvp fans should be allowed to ask for they want but if people like me want to post against it wwe should be allowed as well and both sides need to be repectiful when they post.

Well said Uska!

I will continue to post my views on PvP whenever this hot topic is brought up.

[Yajerman01]

Well said Uska!

I will continue to post my views on PvP whenever this hot topic is brought up.

As long as your viwews are within the rule settigns I am fine, but most people end up flaming the poster or worse yet go off topic and flame. As the great Cubethulu said"

"...Players should be allowed to discuss suggestions to improve PvP in this section of the forums, as long as they are following the forum guidelines. Players should not be replying with off-topic statements, including statements that are nothing more than essentially "I don't like PvP." Personal attacks and the like are also not allowed, of course." (emphasis in yellow)

[Cordovan]

If the topic is about whether PvP in general terms is good, then a player would be keeping in topic by saying they don't like PvP. However, if a player is saying "I have X comment to say about a specific part of the PvP system" that player should not have their thread disrupted by off-topic posts which amount to essentially, "I don't like PvP."

We offer a PvP section of the forum to allow players to discuss the various aspects of PvP they enjoy (or don't enjoy.) These players should be allowed to discuss PvP in the section created to discuss the system.

[Trillea]

If the topic is about whether PvP in general terms is good, then a player would be keeping in topic by saying they don't like PvP. However, if a player is saying "I have X comment to say about a specific part of the PvP system" that player should not have their thread disrupted by off-topic posts which amount to essentially, "I don't like PvP."

We offer a PvP section of the forum to allow players to discuss the various aspects of PvP they enjoy (or don't enjoy.) These players should be allowed to discuss PvP in the section created to discuss the system.

This is a fair statement which is why I started the new thread.