Remove PvP completely or make those that want it pay for it.

[Trillea]

PvP has no place in a Dungeons and Dragons MMO. DnD is about cooperation and teamwork to accomplish goals, not 1-upmanship to increase someone's epeen. It did not have it at start (one of the big draws that brought me to this game in the first place) and should not have been added later. It never has fit well ingame in its current implementation except as a test bed for new abilities. So here are my suggestions (in order of my preference)

1) Completely remove PVP in all forms and recode the training dummy to be able to be completely customized (hp, saves, fortification, AC, whatever) and have all abilities usable on it with extended combat feedback if wanted.

2) Leave PvP as-is, in its current form, with no further amount of developer time ever spent on it at all. Money and time already spent is gone (wasted IMO) and no reason throwing good money after bad.

3) This is my least favorite option, but lets the PvPers put their money where their mouth is. Make all aspects of PvP store-only: brawls, challenges, whatever. Any and all development costs (Dev salaries, whatever) for PvP can only go up to an amount that is capped by whatever money is brought in by PvP sales.

I am tired of seeing thread after thread about PvP when it has no place in a DnD MMO. Please remove it completely.

[unknownturok]

/signed

[madmaxhunter]

option 1 for sure... well, wait a minute, if they get rid of pee vee pee, the pre-teeners will prolly start joining our pugs! ugh. No, leave it

[unknownturok]

option 1 for sure... well, wait a minute, if they get rid of pee vee pee, the pre-teeners will prolly start joining our pugs! ugh. No, leave it

yup so option 2 then

[Trillea]

yup so option 2 then

Devs, if you choose option 2 please make it publicly known.

[jwdaniels]

/not signed

I don't like PvP, nor do I care about it at all, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep other people playing and having fun.

I don't want the devs to spend any resources on PvP per se, and trying to balance the game for PvP is not needed as it will mess with PvE which is at the heart of D&D (and thus DDO) but getting rid of it entirely seems unnecessary.

I would like them to give the Wayward Lobster it's own chat channel though.

[khaldan]

/not signed

I don't like PvP, nor do I care about it at all, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep other people playing and having fun.

I don't want the devs to spend any resources on PvP per se, and trying to balance the game for PvP is not needed as it will mess with PvE which is at the heart of D&D (and thus DDO) but getting rid of it entirely seems unnecessary.

I would like them to give the Wayward Lobster it's own chat channel though.

QFT

Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it's automatically bad and should be killed with fire.

[nicnivyn]

I would like them to give the Wayward Lobster it's own chat channel though.

/signed

Leave PvP as it is but give each PvP area (tavern) its own channel so those of us who watch general/advice/trade won't have to deal with the spammage.

[Missing_Minds]

/signed

Leave PvP as it is but give each PvP area (tavern) its own channel so those of us who watch general/advice/trade won't have to deal with the spammage.

I can get behind that suggestion as well.

[protokon]

I can get behind that suggestion as well.

this is a huge misconception. I have only spent a few weeks down in the tavern, and most of the general chat nonsense is not caused by the lobster. In fact, the silly banter can be found in any f2p area of the game - korthos, the harbor, the marketplace, the various houses...

any time someone decided they had to say something to me while participating in the lobster, I recieved a tell, I have never once seen a comment in general chat referring to pvp.

If giving a separate general chat channel to the tavern gives you peace then I have nothing against it.

[Sarisa]

this is a huge misconception. I have only spent a few weeks down in the tavern, and most of the general chat nonsense is not caused by the lobster. In fact, the silly banter can be found in any f2p area of the game - korthos, the harbor, the marketplace, the various houses...

any time someone decided they had to say something to me while participating in the lobster, I recieved a tell, I have never once seen a comment in general chat referring to pvp.

If giving a separate general chat channel to the tavern gives you peace then I have nothing against it.

You haven't seen the harbour, in general, trade, and even advice, on Sarlona in the evenings. Maybe your server is just more polite about their PvP disputes.

[Beeeeeaner]

/not signed

I don't like PvP, nor do I care about it at all, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep other people playing and having fun.

I don't want the devs to spend any resources on PvP per se, and trying to balance the game for PvP is not needed as it will mess with PvE which is at the heart of D&D (and thus DDO) but getting rid of it entirely seems unnecessary.

I would like them to give the Wayward Lobster it's own chat channel though.

I can not stand when people say that. Give one example why that would? I think they do certain things to leave in there on purpose for this. Its a joke such as you can cast ice storm over and over to the point where it lags but you can cast firewalls? Anyone who pvps, enjoys it because they are one of 4 classes that can actually pvp is just wasting time in there. Just take it out of the game.

[SilkofDrasnia]

/signed for option one as i too believe pvp should never have been put into this game!

i must add i dont much like option 2 tho since it is part of the game it should be supported, i just happen to believe it should never have been added

[eonfreon]

I am tired of seeing thread after thread about PvP when it has no place in a DnD MMO. Please remove it completely.

Then don't go to the PVP forums. There is seldom any threads started up about PVP outside of this particular forum. It's where it belongs.

It's not like any aspect of the game has ever been changed for the benefit of PVP anyway, so what does it matter if PVPers want a spell or ability disabled in their Pit Brawls?

Just stay out of the PVP forums and you won't have to read anything about PVP.

[Trillea]

Then don't go to the PVP forums. There is seldom any threads started up about PVP outside of this particular forum. It's where it belongs.

It's not like any aspect of the game has ever been changed for the benefit of PVP anyway, so what does it matter if PVPers want a spell or ability disabled in their Pit Brawls?

Just stay out of the PVP forums and you won't have to read anything about PVP.

If there was a way to make them not show up on the main page recent threads, I would. But as it is the hairs on the back my neck raise a little every time I see a new PvP whining thread.

[SilkofDrasnia]

If there was a way to make them not show up on the main page recent threads, I would. But as it is the hairs on the back my neck raise a little every time I see a new PvP whining thread.

ah i can understand that, have you considered just not clicking on the thread to start with and simply ignoring it.

my mom use to say," if u cant say something nice say nothing at all" tho ill admit im not perfect n so ...lolz

[khaldan]

If there was a way to make them not show up on the main page recent threads, I would. But as it is the hairs on the back my neck raise a little every time I see a new PvP whining thread.

So, because a thread pops up on the subject every so often, it deserves to go away forever?

That's a bit narrow minded.

[Trillea]

So, because a thread pops up on the subject every so often, it deserves to go away forever?

That's a bit narrow minded.

The threads are a symptom of the greater problem - PvP does not belong in DDO. I believe this 100% from head to toe.

[jwdaniels]

The threads are a symptom of the greater problem - PvP does not belong in DDO. I believe this 100% from head to toe.

Are you going to tell me that you have never had any PvP in a tabletop game of Dungeons and Dragons ever?

[khaldan]

The threads are a symptom of the greater problem - PvP does not belong in DDO. I believe this 100% from head to toe.

If DDO were about to have PvP put in, this would be a valid argument.

But since PvP is part of DDO, in order to get rid of it and use up developer time in doing so, there has to be a reason showing that the game will be the better for the time used.

"It doesn't belong" doesn't really work when it's already in place.

If you can show that PvP is making the game worse by causing changes in PvE, or that the act of PvP causes problems for the game, then I'd be completely behind you, but until then, I don't want to see Dev time used getting rid of it.