Good G*d Sarlona, You are still in the Dark Ages. . .

[Fourfingers]

the leader of the party told me that they wanted

I was IN the raid and listened to the party leader mention the tells they were getting. I have no clue what was said to you, but I know what was said to the party (voice) and what the party ended up accepting into the group for completion. He accepted a 20/wiz - which was obviously not a water savant, so I think it was more about spell DC's vs. requiring a water savant. Again, not that I care to debate that argument, just telling you what I got to listen to while in the group while we filled and as the caster made the run out to the quest.

[Sarisa]

I've noticed some rangers asking for fom, everytime I've actually clicked to see if they were ranger 14, they weren't. If they were, I'd probably have a polite discussion asking why they couldn't fom.

I know there is one ranger who won't cast at all for their own reasons, that's fine, other then that well...

He was 18/1/1, an Exploiter build. There is no excuse. He was from a "big name" guild too.

[MartinusWyllt]

Good G*d Sarlona, You are still in the Dark Ages. . .

I thought you were going to say that people on Sarlona were trying to figure out where to get trebuchet ammo.

[Lifespawn]

For what it's worth, the argument for the last couple posts wasn't because water savant was required for the raid, it's that the saves are 1 or 2 less when multi-classed 2rogue, 2pali, or 2monk. The LFM in question ended up taking a pure 20/wiz. Not that I care to debate either side of that argument.

dc's don't change with a multiclass on a sorc no capstone gives you extra cha only thing you lose is the spell penn


that screenshot says water savant i think it's obvious what they were going for

[Fourfingers]

that screenshot says water savant i think it's obvious what they were going for

Wow, are we looking at the same screenshot?

The screenshot listed shows three LFM's.

The first one appears to be from someone who got bent out of shape for being declined for a raid.

The second and third both list a pure caster or pure wizzy. It's right there, go ahead and re-read it yourself.

It's only one of those last two which list water savant, and that's not the raid leader, that's the leader of the second group which was full.

As I said, I don't care to debate this, I'm offering a perspective of someone who was IN that raid group and was listening to the raid leader discuss it in voice. Your guildie was also in the group, why not ask them as well?

And as I mentioned, the group ended up taking a pure caster build (20 wizard.) So speculate all you want but I think you're fighting the wrong battle. It sounds like someone needs educated about how spell DC's work if they think they need a pure caster.

[LordPiglet]

Actually, the second LFM is the raid leaders gf.

The raid leader runs a decent pure pale master, and is a pretty decent guy.

It's his right to choose how to build a party. Heck last night there was another edq, that was looking for a healer only (they already had 2 fvs in the group). Is that group worse off because they wanted 3 divine casters? Yes it is good try different things and a perfect group isn't always needed.

Don't we always say, if you don't like an LFM, you can start your own?

[Lifespawn]

Wow, are we looking at the same screenshot?

The screenshot listed shows three LFM's.

The first one appears to be from someone who got bent out of shape for being declined for a raid.

The second and third both list a pure caster or pure wizzy. It's right there, go ahead and re-read it yourself.

It's only one of those last two which list water savant, and that's not the raid leader, that's the leader of the second group which was full.

As I said, I don't care to debate this, I'm offering a perspective of someone who was IN that raid group and was listening to the raid leader discuss it in voice. Your guildie was also in the group, why not ask them as well?

And as I mentioned, the group ended up taking a pure caster build (20 wizard.) So speculate all you want but I think you're fighting the wrong battle. It sounds like someone needs educated about how spell DC's work if they think they need a pure caster.

apparently we are looking at a diff screenshot because the one i see the first 1 is some1 mad about not getting into the raid the second asks for a pure and the third asks for a pure or Water savant tho they spelled it servant


being as the second leader of the party puts in the lfm what the leader wants and in this case is apparently the leaders gf i'd have to say they were interested in having a water savant make it easy

[QuantumFX]

I just wish that more Pali's and Rangers actually did. Did an eVoN6 yesterday, and the Pali didn't pass out anything, even when asked. The Ranger asked for FoM and resists...and he was an exploiter build so there was no excuse not to. Neither caster passed resists either, so the other cleric had to. Luckily we had good DPS and didn't need the 500ish spell points she spent buffing to heal the group.

I can understand on a paladin. They have a lot of personal buffs they need for combat. And, you want to keep some SP in reserve for Divine Sacrifices. If you have a fairly small SP pool to play with it can make buffing difficult.

The people I will never understand are the ones who have no clue about what wands they can use. I’ve actually had a paladin try to put down a bunch of rangers for not carrying Neutralize Poison in the Shroud. My response to him was “Neutralize Poison is on your spell list as well. Where’s your wand?” (And, yes, I did cast FoM and resists on others. All my rangers are rogue splashes so I tend to keep Wild Instincts memmed instead.)

[moops]

I was on that run - oddly I remember someone asking if anyone *wanted* fire resist and 2-3 people saying yes.

Once - during the entire raid.

And then we had to listen to a 2 min tirade about buffs.

Made me wonder if that was why the cleric left early causing 60% of the group to die on part 5.

First, the Cleric was my friend and is in my private chat channel and we people of that channel tend to f around alot, and 60 % of the party didnt die. AND I always make sure FOM is passed out.

Second, Sure maybe my guildie asked, but all he did was expose to me people that I won't take in EDA or in many Epic quests, as melee need to be alot more self sufficient than they used to be. In some of these quests if you die now, no one is going to have time to rebuff you, and in a couple of them, they won't have the SP. Even an easy raid like EV6 it is a pain to rasie anyone on a couple of the bases--seems like hundred of times I full rez someone on fire and they die within 5 seconds.

I didnt go on a tirade either, in fact the actual fight afte that was less than 1 min, but I understand that whenever a woman expresses her opinion, or gives directions, its a tirade of a crazy fanatical B*cth.

[Fourfingers]

My response to him was “Neutralize Poison is on your spell list as well. Where’s your wand?”

Everyone can carry a stack of pots - and in my opinion, they're better. If the wand breaks, you can't use it until repaired vs. potions will break individually. If you keep your stacks replenished before getting down to the last few you should never run out - and a stack of 100 potions takes the same inventory space as a wand!

[Cardtrick]

The people I will never understand are the ones who have no clue about what wands they can use. I’ve actually had a paladin try to put down a bunch of rangers for not carrying Neutralize Poison in the Shroud. My response to him was “Neutralize Poison is on your spell list as well. Where’s your wand?” (And, yes, I did cast FoM and resists on others. All my rangers are rogue splashes so I tend to keep Wild Instincts memmed instead.)

This is neither here nor there, but this thread's long since gotten off its original message anyway. I had a bad experience once with my favored soul's neutralize poison wand being destroyed in combat. Since then, I've instead carried a stack of non-guild potions. They work just as well as the wand, and can be cast on others just as easily (actually the only reason I carry the, since my FvS is a warforged). Just something to think about, especially since anyone can use potions.

[QuantumFX]

Everyone can carry a stack of pots - and in my opinion, they're better. If the wand breaks, you can't use it until repaired vs. potions will break individually. If you keep your stacks replenished before getting down to the last few you should never run out - and a stack of 100 potions takes the same inventory space as a wand!

This is neither here nor there, but this thread's long since gotten off its original message anyway. I had a bad experience once with my favored soul's neutralize poison wand being destroyed in combat. Since then, I've instead carried a stack of non-guild potions. They work just as well as the wand, and can be cast on others just as easily (actually the only reason I carry the, since my FvS is a warforged). Just something to think about, especially since anyone can use potions.

I’m actually OK with the “change” in subject (IMO I think this thread is more about “Wierd expectations people have about running the Shroud”.) The wand comment was to point out, to him, that he was capable of handling his problem better than most other melees.

[LordPiglet]

First, the Cleric was my friend and is in my private chat channel and we people of that channel tend to f around alot, and 60 % of the party didnt die. AND I always make sure FOM is passed out.

Second, Sure maybe my guildie asked, but all he did was expose to me people that I won't take in EDA or in many Epic quests, as melee need to be alot more self sufficient than they used to be. In some of these quests if you die now, no one is going to have time to rebuff you, and in a couple of them, they won't have the SP. Even an easy raid like EV6 it is a pain to rasie anyone on a couple of the bases--seems like hundred of times I full rez someone on fire and they die within 5 seconds.

I didnt go on a tirade either, in fact the actual fight afte that was less than 1 min, but I understand that whenever a woman expresses her opinion, or gives directions, its a tirade of a crazy fanatical B*cth.

That's the thing. Last night I ran a minimal buff shroud with one of your guildies (intervetion was leading on his bard). I did request fom from the bard when offered, because it means I can double madstone. I know I posted that the difference between a single madstone and a double is minimal (and it is), however, my preference is to double madstone. If the buff's not offered, I wouldn't take it since I do have delving boots, but it was offered so I did take it.

If it's something where I have to be selfsufficient, no biggie. However, if it's something like shroud and it's slightly better for me to double madstone, then I'll take that option. Heck, I run Smoke II hp on Arrael, but always get blurred anyways, even though I state and type in chat that I don't need blur. I get TS all the time to, and I'm wearing tharnes.

[ckorik]

I didnt go on a tirade either, in fact the actual fight afte that was less than 1 min, but I understand that whenever a woman expresses her opinion, or gives directions, its a tirade of a crazy fanatical B*cth.

Tirade = A long, angry speech of criticism or accusation.

Example:

"Does anyone want FR before we start?"
2/3 people "sure FR please"

Long angry speech criticizing the people who responded.

I stand by the word I used, not gender based. I never called you a name - and actually only joined your LFM because of the respect you earned from your usually level headed posts here.

Everyone has a bad day - that doesn't mean you get a pass for being female. I don't hold it against what I consider to be your character, so don't take it as an insult please.

[Phidius]

... I didnt go on a tirade either, in fact the actual fight afte that was less than 1 min, but I understand that whenever a woman expresses her opinion, or gives directions, its a tirade of a crazy tyranical B*cth.

Fixed in red, you tyrant.

Tirade = A long, angry speech of criticism or accusation.

Example:

"Does anyone want FR before we start?"
2/3 people "sure FR please"

Long angry speech criticizing the people who responded.
...

That's not how it's done... here, let me show you.

ti·rade   /ˈtaɪreɪd, taɪˈreɪd
[tahy-reyd, tahy-reyd]

–noun
1. a prolonged outburst of bitter, outspoken denunciation: a tirade against smoking.
2. a long, vehement speech: a tirade in the Senate.
3. a passage dealing with a single theme or idea, as in poetry: the stately tirades of Corneille.

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I stand by the word I used, not gender based. I never called you a name - and actually only joined your LFM because of the respect you earned from your usually level headed posts here.
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No admissions of stalking on these forums, if you please.

Just kidding - I join her groups 'cause I love the way she brooks no backtalk. Last time she derided me for asking for sonic in VoD.

Little does she know I cast 30 point resists when I go back and do the Korthos quests on elite for favor on my 20th level toon... yes, all 5!

[Roman]

Bottom line! If your ubersauce has expired then do NOT mess with the Moops.

That is all.

[LordPiglet]

Bottom line! If your ubersauce has expired then do NOT mess with the Moops.

That is all.

You forgot to include the hot tyrant (or something like that).

Somedays I like to mix n00bsauce with ubersauce. I call this substance beer and consume it in large quantities.