Change raid loot to BTA

[toughguyjoe]

/Not Signed.

I am philosophically opposed to making loot easier to obtain.

Raids in this game are not difficult.

So I see no point to making it easier.

[Sweyn]

Raids in this game are not difficult.

Exactly, all it is is Grind Grind Grind.

[Xenostrata]

Twinking is bad enough as it is. Now, imagine being able to funnel every piece of raid gear towards one specific toon. Imagine being able to twink a build with a full rack of +3 tomes at level 13? Can you say ultra-uber?

The game is suffering already from power creep. Allowing for this to pass accelerates that power creep in a dramatic fashion.

One of the reasons why raid timers were put in the game (i am guessing here) is to try and slow the farming of rare loot and ingredients used for crafting. If you put the op's suggestion into play, it basically circumvents raid timers for individual characters. It becomes a race to 20, with every alt now funneling the desirable formerly BTC gear to one super twinked account.



/not signed

I can see this being OP.

Add on to the original that Tomes found in 20th completion lists are still BTC, and cannot be twinked.

[TheKaige]

/signed to BtA for 20th completion rewards.

[Iwinbyrollup]

I think this is my favorite possible implementation of the idea I've seen yet, although I think it would still take more work to make not overpowered. The one idea I like best is the BtA, BtC on Equip, if that's possible to set up.

Because yeah, it does take a lot of time to get enough raid gear for all characters if you're using 20th completions. But if you're passing equipment around all the time, then it doesn't take as long. Need Tharne's Goggles? Okay, get a single pair and switch it out. Sure, it's a hassle, but you can do that until your weaker characters can pull their own.

It's also worth noting that the "one 20th completion every 2 months" thing is not entirely accurate. It's not one 20th completion every 2 months. It's up to one 20th completion of every raid on every level-appropriate character you have every 2 months. Even with one character, that's a lot of 20th completions in 2 months. Unless you're absolutely convinced that you desperately need five of every item you want, you're probably going to go a huge way towards gearing multiple characters with only one character. And if you manage to gear a second out, then you've got two working towards more.

And it is unbalancing. Yes, TRs are powerful. This is MORE powerful than TRs. Because at least with TRs, gearing a toon still requires leveling the toon to 20 and running raids. If the character is massively gimp, you're going to have trouble getting the gear you want.

I generally feel like the game already benefits players who have resources on older characters more than newer players, and that puts them at even more of a disadvantage when newer players are less likely to have developed skills and related game knowledge that older players have (note the usage of "less likely"--it is not the case that new players are always less skilled than older players). Between that and the gear advantage that already exists, it is tough to be a new player at times. Giving more power to the older players isn't always better.

I wouldn't be wholly opposed to such a change, but I'd prefer to see something a bit less overpowering. Although I do think this is a step in the right direction with these suggestions and is a significant improvement over the usual "all raid loot BtA" suggestions.

EDIT: In terms of Greensteel...yeah, TRs get GS and these characters wouldn't. GS is pretty easy to get if you have higher level characters anyway. Let them do the farming, pass down the ingredients. All you then need to do is get the shards. I think GS is the one major thing TRs would have over these characters. It's also worth noting when comparing the two is that this would only need to be done once. For a while TRs might seem more powerful because TRs get the contents of chests, but once you've gone, say, 6-8 months with this new system, many players would have built up the gear (some quicker depending on how many toons they have running raids). Compared to TRs, every single character you plan on TRing needs to be geared mostly independently.

[khaldan]

Yeah, that was more of me being a bit contrary, that's an absurdly unlikely scenario to have happen.

I do like the idea but I think it would have to be BtCoE, passing a SoS from character to character would be a bit much for my taste.

[Xenostrata]

Yeah, that was more of me being a bit contrary, that's an absurdly unlikely scenario to have happen.

I do like the idea but I think it would have to be BtCoE, passing a SoS from character to character would be a bit much for my taste.

Yeah, I think my original post of that idea may have come off as a bit oppositional, but I also support that idea.

[Xenostrata]

A compromise, to those who think this would be ridiculously OP: have 20th completions list the regular BTC raid loot, then have a second list at the bottom of about 1/4 the size made up of BTA/BTCoE.
Not my idea of a perfect option, but feel free to comment on it.

[Dragon.Star]

Sorry but have to agree with the others, there shouldn't be an easy button. And if they ever went this way, I would hope that they don't do BtC on Equip as that would just mean the Auction House would have more new items.

[Xenostrata]

Sorry but have to agree with the others, there shouldn't be an easy button. And if they ever went this way, I would hope that they don't do BtC on Equip as that would just mean the Auction House would have more new items.

BTA and BTCoE, not one or the other- you'd be able to pass it to an alt through the shared bank and have him use it, but you couldn't sell it on the AH.

[fyrst.grok]

/signed

As it is now I never run VoD on anything BUT my caster to get those 2 pieces of loot, same with DQ.. only my fvs and caster get's to go...

While it would be an 'easy-button' in some regards it would also mean that you could get a gameflow in stead of waitiing 2 hours to get a raid going because noone want the loot in that particular raid.
Wouldn't feel like a complete waste of time to take an unwanted raid on a toon then.