Change raid loot to BTA

[Xenostrata]

This has probably been suggested before.

Also, I purposely omitted a very important point in the title: I want all raid loot taken from 20th turn ins to be changed to BTA. I thought this one might get more readers .

The purpose of binding most raid loot is to prevent people from looting everything they find, in the event that they either have an alt that could use it or think that they might have an alt that could use it at some unforeseen point in the future.

However, the loot you get from the turn in is not available to other people. There is no unbalancing from making it BTA, because there is no greed involved: you are going to get the loot no matter what.

This is especially appealing, since a lot of the time you will run a raid to 20 and find yourself not needing anything on the list (maybe a +3 tome). For VON specifically, I know a lot of people who run eVON are getting a lot of vendor trash from those extra completion bonuses. I myself have my Sorceror close to 20 on VON, and is going to be severely annoyed if he gets the SoS my other toon could use instead.

If you think this is too OP, fine. Make it BTA and BTC on equip. That way there still isn't sharing around of raid loot, but you can still do something with that extra loot that you probably won't need (or you could see exactly what another toon needs, and grab that instead of what you were aiming at in case the list doesn't have what you are looking for)

Feel free to /sign or /not sign, but please leave an explanation as to why.

EDIT: So far, additional improvements based on comments (mostly knocking this for being to easy button/OP/etc.) are:

Tomes are excluded, 20th completion tomes remain BTC

Higher ML of BTA for first equip, to prevent twinking high level raid gear items down to low level non-TR toons. (ML would return to normal after first equip, to enable easy TR-twinking later.)

[kyleann]

/signed

20th completion rewards being BtA and BtC on equip isn't OP, it's ideal. It would be nice to see a change like this, but I'm not going to get optimistic about it...

[Cetus]

I actually really like this suggestion. Often times, I don't get what I am searching for on 20th end reward lists, so instead of grabbing something useless I can think of my other characters needs.

/signed

[toughguyjoe]

/Not Signed.

I am philosophically opposed to making loot easier to obtain.

Raids in this game are not difficult.

So I see no point to making it easier.

[camels]

yes you are right that this has been brought up before.

the main argument is that people will no longer want to share the loot cause since it is BTA, they could all ways use it for a alt. 6 months to a year down the line.


it would make people hoarders and there would be DRAMA!!!

i.e- fighter takes torc because he might roll a caster down the line, while the caster that's sitting right there in the raid is crying in the corner.

let's not make people cry.....

[Dysmetria]

yes you are right that this has been brought up before.

the main argument is that people will no longer want to share the loot cause since it is BTA, they could all ways use it for a alt. 6 months to a year down the line.


it would make people hoarders and there would be DRAMA!!!

i.e- fighter takes torc because he might roll a caster down the line, while the caster that's sitting right there in the raid is crying in the corner.

let's not make people cry.....

I don't understand....how do you share a 20th completion quest reward with anyone else?

[redspecter23]

The theory behind the idea is great but it basically allows you to almost completely gear out a toon without ever playing any high level content with that particular toon. As an alternative, how about all older raids only? So Von, Titan, DQ, Reaver, Abbot, Shroud could be BTA 20th lists, but the 3 newest raids would still be BTC (Vod, HoX, Tod). As new raids are released the list rotates so when the next high level raid is released, newly looted Vod and/or Hound 20ths become BTA while Tod and "new raid X" are all BtC 20th rewards. This minimizes the grind where it's most grindy, old content.

[camels]

I don't understand....how do you share a 20th completion quest reward with anyone else?

reading comp. fail.
nvm.

[Wizard_Zero]

/Not signed. I'm a hoarder, if it raid item was bound to account, I would keep it, even if I never use it. I will always think, "what if I do make a character one day that needs that item."

I'm sure I'm not the only one to think like that. Then you really would have to run every character to 20 completions to get the item you want, cause no one will put things up for roll.

Heck, I would roll on stuff I don't need too, "Just incase."

[protokon]

not signed.

there was a pretty heavy exploit that i shall not mention that basically allowed this awhile back, allowing certain members of a certain guild to gear up brand new toons extremely quickly...

so tempted to talk about fight club but better not.

anyways, good idea in theory, terrible in practice. the whole bound to account epic pieces at the moment is fubar IMHO, everyone and there mother's pet dog has all the pieces except the one you pulled for there other toon to make the item . or people take items for characters that dont even exist yet. woohoo.

[steelblueskies]

/Not signed. I'm a hoarder, if it raid item was bound to account, I would keep it, even if I never use it. I will always think, "what if I do make a character one day that needs that item."

I'm sure I'm not the only one to think like that. Then you really would have to run every character to 20 completions to get the item you want, cause no one will put things up for roll.

Heck, I would roll on stuff I don't need too, "Just incase."

congrats on the failure to read post. see above. end reward list only. what the heck is wrong with people not reading what they respond to even? thats twice this thread alone?

[Alizar]

Maybe a few of you should actually read the OP.

Sounds like an excellent idea

[haku-ba]

I think there are several reasons for making loot BtC.

• Encourage loot to be shared amongst players
• Stop favoured class(es) of characters being the only ones running a particular raid
• Keep players in the game by making them complete the raids on all their different toons to get gear

I think point two and three are quite important, one for the players and one for Turbine. Why should a toon that has never done a reaver have madstone boots? Or why should your [insert favourite toon here] be the one that you run to farm all the gear for your other toons because it is easiest on that one? Turbine allow this a little, but allowing it too much will just mean the player base will become disinterested in the game that much faster. Which leads to the third point.

Turbine needs us to keep playing. Making it easier to get loot for all our toons ultimately means we will most likely lose interest in the game sooner. This means less players or the need for more constant new content. Turbine has to do a fine balancing act to manage the two. It is common to all MMO's. The player base should be careful about demanding making the game easier to get gear, as this leads to other problems that can be far harder to manage than requiring us to grind for the gear we really want.

Grinding for gear is optional. Too much 'uber' gear on all toons cause it is easy to get just makes for a boring game. Some grind is good.

[Gol]

/notsigned

Giving raid gear to characters that have not put in the reps is yet another easy button that we don't need. Just another way to make useless toons look uber. If you put in 40/60/80 reps on a character, you learn more about playing that style of character than you would if you just grind it out on your uber caster that can solo it all and the pass it over to your gimp fighter that you don't have any clue how to play.

[varusso]

Some folks dont seem to be getting the point. OP is talking about the 20th completion reward. You cant pass it to another player in a chest. There is no hoarding issue; it cant be rolled on. it is ALWAYS going to be yours, period. BTA then BTC on equip would work fine.

And yes, I might use my 3 mages to get loot for my melee, but so what? I am giving up an item for each of those toons to get one for my melee. *OR* I am getting something useful on the 3 mages who are already geared up, by being able to pass it on. And really, too easy? Its 20 completions. Its fine.

[grimblackblade]

/signed

Great idea, never thought of this before. Many times I run characters that the raid needs (to get moving faster), not ones that can use the loot. So I end up with 20 completions and having no use for any of the options (see, I read the post). Being able to give it to one of my 23 alts would be nice.

[QuantumFX]

I like the idea with the addendium of Binds to Character on Equip.

[Hendrik]

/notsigned!!!!!!

Vehemently opposed to characters getting Raid loot that are NOT in the Raid to loot it.

The benchmark list for a 20/40/60 is for THAT character only. This would open things up for characters that have not even done the raid in question to obtain raid loot by not even running the raid.

Why reward someone for not doing something?

[Pape_27]

Twinking is bad enough as it is. Now, imagine being able to funnel every piece of raid gear towards one specific toon. Imagine being able to twink a build with a full rack of +3 tomes at level 13? Can you say ultra-uber?

The game is suffering already from power creep. Allowing for this to pass accelerates that power creep in a dramatic fashion.

One of the reasons why raid timers were put in the game (i am guessing here) is to try and slow the farming of rare loot and ingredients used for crafting. If you put the op's suggestion into play, it basically circumvents raid timers for individual characters. It becomes a race to 20, with every alt now funneling the desirable formerly BTC gear to one super twinked account.



/not signed



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[Thrudh]

Giving raid gear to characters that have not put in the reps is yet another easy button that we don't need. Just another way to make useless toons look uber. If you put in 40/60/80 reps on a character, you learn more about playing that style of character than you would if you just grind it out on your uber caster that can solo it all and the pass it over to your gimp fighter that you don't have any clue how to play.

I have to agree with this... No good grinding things out with your one best character to get the most powerful loot for your alts who you hardly ever play.