Change Raid Timer for VIP

[Seikojin]

What I keep seeing is people saying no because they think their experience in the game will be altered by someone else's ability to out-gear them.

Yet, in the minimal sense, a vip can out level a non vip since they can open elite right away.

But we don't see that. We see everyone levelling at the same pace.

We also see people who are premium getting the gear they want and the same gear a vip wants at the same time; every day.

So changing how one person, who pays a monthly fee, obtains chances to get loot, still does nothing to change the actual results: every day people are running all the raids and every day someone is getting the loot you want.

Again, I see absolutely no problem with giving VIP's something exclusive to VIP's, more chances to roll.

Now if VIP meant +10% exp at all times +2 loot levels, and shortened timers, I would complain. LOL j/k

[Seikojin]

I keep seeing that same statement or something similar, yet never see anything that backs it up. Why do people keep saying that?

Then I read all of Seikojin's numbers, and hope no one actually believes that math, because it is all made up numbers.

At least I wanr ya!

I don't think VIP keeps the game afloat. I think money being sent to turbine keeps the game afloat.

There currently is not enough benifit for VIP for a common sense type of person to pay into the service on a monthly basis. If turbine gave vips something worthwhile without altering the end of the day experience, then more people would be tempted to become vip.

I think something insignificant like altering their raid timers would be a great, callable perk for being vip.

[chyribdus]

I have to disagree. I dont think that anyone's raid timers or epic quest timers should be able to be shortened permenantly. It doesnt just mean that VIP's would be able to do raids more often, but just consider the implications on larges in shroud being sold. Just that alone is a significant risk in doing that. I dont disagree that VIP should give some kind of bonus that cannot be purchased with points, but this is the wrong direction. If anything, maybe the next race or class be VIP only, or how about a special loot chance being added for VIP, or a permenant stacking jewel of fortune affect so that it stacks with jewels. An automatic boost of +1 level to all loot isnt over-powered at all, nor is it being able to stack with other affects, but would be a unique boost to VIP's other than being able to open elite, which most dont do anyway unless they are going for favor.

[kyleann]

There currently is not enough benifit for VIP for a common sense type of person to pay into the service on a monthly basis.

So that makes me a common senseless person?

I choose VIP because then I get everything I want all at once and I can spend that extra TP each month getting more bank spaces. Never have to worry about Elite, or waiting for packs to go on sale. I log in and out free of monetary thoughts. $10 a month really isn't much to pay for a game this size. Honestly, my rental fees for PS3 games is more than that and I don't get anywhere near the hours out of those games as this one...

To each their own, but "buying the game" is a piecemeal thing, and always will be as the newer stuff comes out. I prefer the lack of thought involved with just forking over $10 to play with everything unlocked. Like others have said, there isn't anything else that gives this much enjoyment for so long like this game for $10 a month. ~I deleted my working girl/your mom comments in fear of offending anyone...

[Seikojin]

So that makes me a common senseless person?

I choose VIP because then I get everything I want all at once and I can spend that extra TP each month getting more bank spaces. Never have to worry about Elite, or waiting for packs to go on sale. I log in and out free of monetary thoughts. $10 a month really isn't much to pay for a game this size. Honestly, my rental fees for PS3 games is more than that and I don't get anywhere near the hours out of those games as this one...

To each their own, but "buying the game" is a piecemeal thing, and always will be as the newer stuff comes out. I prefer the lack of thought involved with just forking over $10 to play with everything unlocked. Like others have said, there isn't anything else that gives this much enjoyment for so long like this game for $10 a month. ~I deleted my working girl/your mom comments in fear of offending anyone...

I wasn't trying to offend, but I tend to do so. Sorry about that.

Like you said to each their own. My situation is not at the point where I can justify the monthly expense. I could if the perks for doing so outweighed the benefits of not doing so.

[Cyr]

VIP's subscription is what keeps the developers employed. They know they have that guaranteed income.

Yeah this whole premium payment method is a shame. No one uses it! That is why the game is doing just as well today as it was doing before the hybrid payment model was introduced.

[Dysmetria]

Yeah this whole premium payment method is a shame. No one uses it! That is why the game is doing just as well today as it was doing before the hybrid payment model was introduced.

I thought they were reporting a 400% or more profit increase since going F2P, isn't that why so many other MMOs have been doing something similar since?

[countfitz]

As a premium player who wants a BETTER game, which means people need to get paid to MAKE it better, I'm all for anything that supports VIP.

Personally, I've spent, with my wife and my account total, $180 and may not ever spend any more. We both have around 5000 TP left on each account, and own all of the content (some packs have gone completely unplayed yet we still own them), together all the races and classes (not each, but combined, for example she has monk, I have Horc, she has helf, I have WF, etc.) and I have lots of bank space etc. (she doesn't, just trades in game etc.)

Basically, we're as well off as any premium player and have played over a year now, which SHOULD have cost $240, MINIMUM, plus whatever else we'd have spent. So, for less money we OWN everything we want and have money left for the next 5-10 updates worth of content, which lets be honest, is about 3 years of playing. So, for lets say $200 we've got everything a VIP will spend about, in five years, 5 (years) x12 (months) x $10 (lowest monthly rate) x 2 (both of us) = $1200. So we'll end up saving $1000.

So, to OWN everything, in 5 years of total play time (which is about when I expect to ragequit like most of the 5 year vets) versus RENTING the same things for the same time, it costs $200 vs. $1200. VIPs are spending $1000 for unlocking elite?

Please give them something.

[countfitz]

I thought they were reporting a 400% or more profit increase since going F2P, isn't that why so many other MMOs have been doing something similar since?

I'm pretty sure the smiley face at the end of his quote was to express sarcasm. Might be wrong, in which case you are completely correct.

[icekinslayer]

No no no!

But really no.

Did I say no?


Vip's already get the best perk in the game, able to open anything on elite. I can run around any quest and open it on elite. That saves me alot of time.

Imagine running a raid that you had to do normal, then hard, then elite. Thats 9 days of waiting. I want to run Demon Queen on elite today.

you seriously think that no one in the raid group will have run it 2x already to be able to open it on elite? and that you are the only one in the whole raid group who can open it on elite? c'mon now.

[steelblueskies]

biggest reason to not sign, is that the raid timer's should already be brought in line with epic timers, ie 24 hours, not three days.

this assuming of course that the timer's are not removed from regula raids altogether which would be superior.

ransack still exists, and frankly if you can convince twelve people to run the same raid beyond ransack in a day, al the way to 20 completions, your 20th list will still be a ransacked list.

let the powergamers burn themselves out if they want.

the casuals who may have enough time and friends to pull a single raid three or four times in one sitting, and then be off for a week- they benefit too.

artificial timers for the raids really don't help anyone who doesn't have an ocd problem.

unless you consider epic dungeon tokens.. leave a the once/day timer there.

we are putting in the time and work. raid's are not numerous, and reasons to actually run many of them are weak as well, especially if you have been around a while.

waiting three days to run the same one again is b.s. as is. is the ability to run tempest spine to ransack and beyond a problem?

if you want to give the vip's something, remove ransack for them, or up it to triggering at 10 hits of the same chest. if it goes in the lottery they automatically get one. things of that sort. rig it so each month they're vip they automatically get granted a pack permanently, lowest cost first and ascending(ie incentive to stay longer as vip, and insurance if for outside reasons they must end their sub). the change initially proposed in this thread is something that should be in game for everyone period.

[Thorzian]

No no no!

But really no.

Did I say no?


Vip's already get the best perk in the game, able to open anything on elite. I can run around any quest and open it on elite. That saves me alot of time.

Imagine running a raid that you had to do normal, then hard, then elite. Thats 9 days of waiting. I want to run Demon Queen on elite today.

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