Am I in the wrong here?

[stainer]

I'm a deepwoods assassin.

Can I have Electrical resist?

[Eladiun]

Can I have Electrical resist?

No offense to sisster but don't we need another healer?

[stainer]

No offense to sisster but don't we need another healer?

XXXXX has left your party.
YYYYY has left your party.
ZZZZZ has left your party.

Gawnaderp tells you "Why doesn't anybody ever say goodbye?"

[FooWonk]

I looted Bracers of the Glacier in VoD and passed them to my guildie (who is a fighter) because I know she's TRing in the next week or two into a cold-specced PM. The wiz that we had in the party then pointed out she was a fighter, and she explained she would be TRing. He then proceeded to call her a 'loot *****' and say he had 'never seen so much *****age and people defending it'. Am I wrong or is this guy overstepping his boundaries expecting that I should put my loot up for roll rather than give it to someone who I know will need and use it?

Also, he squelched me and blacklisted my guild over it.

Sounds like the Wizard is a tool. I'd be pleased to have all my characters added to his squelch list and my guild blacklisted. If he refuses to group with you, all the better. You won't have to suffer the drama from them again.

[Healemup]

You were wrong not to pass them quicker so no one noticed they didn't fall in his name to start with... :-D

I did have a somewhat similar situation (only in that involved minor loot drama). I had something drop for me (as you can tell I wasn't overly concerned with it), and I was kind of on the fence about taking it. So, my usual solution is to say I am putting it up for roll, but I am rolling on it as well. If I win the roll, I take the loot. So... whatever it was, three peeps rolled on it, and I was the high. And just before I was about to loot it, another guy rolled and beat me. So, I passed it without blinking. Then, he turns around and passes it off to a guildie of his who had lost the roll. It really kinda irked me, so I put the both on my "list".

[Eladiun]

No offense to sisster but don't we need another healer?

FYI, whoever negged me on this one negged my for an inside joke in which the healer mentioned is not only my guildie but my girlfriend.

Not that I care about the rep...

...I just want you to know that you are a ________.

[stainer]

FYI, whoever negged me on this one negged my for an inside joke in which the healer mentioned is not only my guildie but my girlfriend.

Not that I care about the rep...

...I just want you to know that you are a ________.

She said she was my girlfriend! j/k

I hit you with a + earlier. There is no way that - was bigger. My Greenis brings all the rep to the yard.

Lol. Someone negged my electrical comment. Oh noes! Only 13723 point(s) total left!

[samthedagger]

I looted Bracers of the Glacier in VoD and passed them to my guildie (who is a fighter) because I know she's TRing in the next week or two into a cold-specced PM. The wiz that we had in the party then pointed out she was a fighter, and she explained she would be TRing. He then proceeded to call her a 'loot *****' and say he had 'never seen so much *****age and people defending it'. Am I wrong or is this guy overstepping his boundaries expecting that I should put my loot up for roll rather than give it to someone who I know will need and use it?

Also, he squelched me and blacklisted my guild over it.

Khyber drama strikes again. Although this post lacks the kind of flamage that I would usually find appropriate for the Khyber server, you are not in the wrong at all. The devs built the mechanic that gave you the item. The devs also built the mechanic that allows you to pass the item to whoever you want for whatever reason you want. To borrow an urban expression, don't hate the playa, hate the game. If the whiny wizard really wanted to place blame where blame was due, he'd squelch DDO and do us all a favor. Consider yourself lucky that he squelched you and you will never have to run with such that particular selfish a-hole ever again.

Just my opinion folks. Feel free to disagree as I am sure many of you shall.

[Calebro]

You're kind of missing the point here. Take the following PUG scenario:

11 guildies, and 1 non-guildy.

A piece of loot drops.

Each guild member has two chances at the loot - one for having it drop in his name, and one for having it drop in a guild-member's name and that guild-member passing it to him. At the same time, the non-guild member has only one chance at loot - the chance for having it drop in his name.

If you are the non-guild member, that leaves a slightly sour taste in your mouth and discourages joining guild groups. I personally don't really like passing loot, because I'd rather encourage a welcoming environment for people to join where everyone can feel like they were treated equally. I'd much rather put it up for roll.

I didn't miss the point.
In fact, I responded to exactly that point in the post you quoted.

[Tunst]

good job
you made him squelch you
now he wont join your future runs.

i also agree with your loot if your loot.
i dont care who gets the item in the end, or wins the roll.
as long as they'll use it.

[Gawna]

No offense to sisster but don't we need another healer?

Is anyone but me really bored?

[Eladiun]

Is anyone but me really bored?

It makes me wish I had a fraps of it.

[Gawna]

It makes me wish I had a fraps of it.

I'd like to hear what I sound like while having a seizure.

[Eladiun]

I'd like to hear what I sound like while having a seizure.

You hid it well. I was happy I could just set auto-attack and sit in my corner. It's hard to play when you can't breath.

[Gawna]

You hid it well. I was happy I could just set auto-attack and sit in my corner. It's hard to play when you can't breath.

I was seriously sweating. I have to say it was pretty entertaining, though. Does this bind to account?

[stainer]

I was seriously sweating. I have to say it was pretty entertaining, though. Does this bind to account?

I just wish I pulled the bracers so I could give them to her and cause Australia to declare war on the USA.

[Freeman]

You're kind of missing the point here. Take the following PUG scenario:

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If you are the non-guild member, that leaves a slightly sour taste in your mouth and discourages joining guild groups. I personally don't really like passing loot, because I'd rather encourage a welcoming environment for people to join where everyone can feel like they were treated equally. I'd much rather put it up for roll.

There's one flaw in your logic: You assume that you have a better chance at loot in a PUG with eleven random people. Loot gets passed for many different reasons. I've passed loot to my wife, guildies, friends in other guilds, and to complete strangers for one reason or another. I've seen others give loot to the first person that stated they wanted it, no rolling. Others loot things themselves out of ignorance.(I.E. the item is basically useless to them, such as raising their AC to a 27. At level 18. Yes, I've seen someone excited about that) There are an unlimited number of reasons why you might not get a chance to roll on an item, and guilds have nothing to do with most of them.

The only way to avoid being disappointed in loot situations is to not have any expectations. You should go into a raid expecting only your 1/6th chance at a piece of raid loot from the end chest.(Yes, I know it actually varies somewhat, but you get my meaning) Anything you receive beyond that is a bonus, not an entitlement. I've been on many raids, PUG, guild, whatever. I firmly believe that "Your loot is your loot", and that's it. No expectations about what drops for others, and I do what I want with what drops for me. Yes, I try to be fair when I do give my loot away, but I'm the only one that can ultimately decide what is fair in this completely subjective decision.

[Schmoe]

I didn't miss the point.
In fact, I responded to exactly that point in the post you quoted.

Well in that case, I think you're wrong

You said (emphasis mine):

While I understand exactly what you're saying here, I think it's important to make a distinction.
Someone looting the item that they pulled is the same thing as someone passing the item that they pulled. You weren't going to get it either way, no matter what. So when someone pulls an item and passes it, to me it's just like they looted it themselves.

I just wanted to point out that it's only the same thing if you were never going to have a chance at something you didn't pull anyway. Going back to the 11 guildies + 1 non-guildie scenario, clearly 11 of the people in the group do have a chance at something they didn't pull. Passing loot leads to the situation that, if you run with guildies, you have a chance that you will be passed loot. If you don't run with guildies, you don't have that chance. Hence, one person in the group has a smaller chance of getting loot than the rest. Regardless of your expectations or perception, that's inherently unequal. Whether it's deserving of a big debate is open to interpretation, but it certainly has caused one

[Eladiun]

I just wish I pulled the bracers so I could give them to her and cause Australia to declare war on the USA.

...at least he now has closet full of Enlightened Vestments.

[Calebro]

Well in that case, I think you're wrong

You said (emphasis mine):



I just wanted to point out that it's only the same thing if you were never going to have a chance at something you didn't pull anyway. Going back to the 11 guildies + 1 non-guildie scenario, clearly 11 of the people in the group do have a chance at something they didn't pull. Passing loot leads to the situation that, if you run with guildies, you have a chance that you will be passed loot. If you don't run with guildies, you don't have that chance. Hence, one person in the group has a smaller chance of getting loot than the rest. Regardless of your expectations or perception, that's inherently unequal. Whether it's deserving of a big debate is open to interpretation, but it certainly has caused one

If the item gets put up for roll you have a chance at it, and everyone's chances should be equal.
If it never gets put up for roll, you never had a chance at it, so if it gets passed to someone you shouldn't feel excluded.