PvP Solution?

[Therigar]

1. Finish the classes.
2. Finish the races.
3. Finish the PrEs.
4. Reduce the lag.
5. Reduce the number of bugs.
6. Force the search screen to pop up whenever anyone types in PvP.

I'm all in favor of your first 5 points as being higher priorities for the DDO development team. I think your 6th point is just being mean and I'd neg rep you for it if I could.

Look, DDO was created as a team based PvE game. PvP was thrown in because people wanted a time waster ... they got it. Done.

The amount of work you have put into arguing your point, you could
have found a game that gives you PvP. End of statement.

And, for this part of your post I'd neg rep you again if it were possible since you are clearly just being argumentative.

Your premise that PvP was thrown in because people wanted a time waster is highly inflammatory and unsubstatiated opinion. You and I have both been around for a long time and you know that there were requests for PvP from the very start. It didn't have to do with wasting time. It had to do with that was what a segment of the population wanted in an MMO.

DDO's response of limiting PvP to specific, designated areas was a direct response to those of us who reminded Turbine that we came to the game for the PvE and didn't want the PvP aspects that were in other MMOs. We reminded the developers that D&D is primarily a group against the DM game and that was part of the appeal -- the reason why the D&D franchise has been a billion dollar industry over the last 40 years.

What we have in DDO is a reasonable compromise between those that want and those that don't want PvP. And, if developers work the first 5 issues you list -- along with churning out regular, new content -- I'd have a hard time faulting your post.

But the intentional meanness is unwarranted, especially since it is based on mistruths and misrepresentations.

[Therigar]

Pvp fix: Create small, but dedicated pvp server.

On said server, make ALL spells allowable everywhere, make ALL targets(not counting npcs intown) valid targets for ANY spell, ANYWHERE, including quests.

be a challenge to play said server but pvp'ers would be happy, and 'realists' (if there's such a thing in ddo world ) would also find it enjoyable. When someone wants to join the server, make a big ugly flashing red pop-up declaring that it IS open combat, EVERYWHERE. A caster throws a hold, YOU have to save as well as the mobs.

That is certainly one approach, like apartheid in South Africa or the caste system in India or segregation in the US. Very 21st century and forward thinking. Also not a solution at all.

[Seikojin]

The big beef I have against pvp is it is cumbersome. Right now, the game has no real playable pvp that I would enjoy.

I think when they make the challenge system, they should include some pvp modes. 12 on 12 team raids or something would be nice.

[Kmnh]

I don't think the devs should waste time removing pvp from the game. Leave the lobster there, it's fun to see all the crying and moaning on general chat

[Chai]

There is one aspect I feel WOW got right with PVP. People cant talk to the opposition. This curbs most trash talking, out of character zone wide shouting matches, and open insults I already see more of coming out of the taverns than I ever saw in a WOW PVP match. When you propose your solution for DDO PVP, please also include a separate chat system.

Anything goes. You have it, you can use it. You may think this is unbalanced in 1v1 but in a team play atmosphere its certainly balanced.

[Therigar]

The big beef I have against pvp is it is cumbersome. Right now, the game has no real playable pvp that I would enjoy.

I think when they make the challenge system, they should include some pvp modes. 12 on 12 team raids or something would be nice.

In general terms I share your POV. But this is also the fear of those who are adamantly against PvP -- that development resources will be used to create more PvP options instead of being used to upgrade the PvE that is the focal part of the game.

It is why I can understand and support likuie's first 5 points -- because the focus is on PvE.

But, I think that neither view of how developer time is spent is realistic. I pointed that out in this post which earned me negative rep.

The simple fact is that DDO is a money-making venture. Turbine's developers do not really care what we think the development priorities should be. They have their own priority list set for them by the project manager and that in turn is driven by the bottom line -- dollars.

When I note that Turbine doesn't care or that it is driven by money that isn't saying anything bad about them. It is recognizing that it is a business.

So what you or I or someone else thinks they should be doing with their resources and development time doesn't matter. Think about how much we'd be upset if DDO just wasn't there tomorrow when we went to log on.

Regardless of our different POVs on the merits of and nature of PvP, we all want the game. It is why we get emotive and testy with each other when our views don't match -- because we're all committed to our POV.

But long term it really doesn't matter. I'm content to have PvP as it is. I'm content to have those that like PvP ask for changes. And, I'm content if Turbine impliments some/all of those changes. As long as they keep producing DDO.

[heyytoi]

1. Finish the classes.
2. Finish the races.
3. Finish the PrEs.
4. Reduce the lag.
5. Reduce the number of bugs.
6. Force the search screen to pop up whenever anyone types in PvP.

Look, DDO was created as a team based PvE game. PvP was thrown in
because people wanted a time waster ... they got it. Done.

The amount of work you have put into arguing your point, you could
have found a game that gives you PvP. End of statement. I dont know any other game that got a system combat like DDO. AKA: The best combat system of any MMO.

Find one and il be glad to chek it out.

[flynnjsw]

. Probably because they arent very good at it.

^^^ The surest way to lose a PvP argument.

The biggest one I have an issue with is #4, and only the idea of rewards for PvP. If they did not affect PvE in any way then maybe.

[Kalari]

I dont know if I can say this enough, people may not believe me now but I want this post saved for the archives.

Whether we like it or not pvp is in the game. With the influx of new players with Ebberon Unlimited we have and will see more cries for pvp. If the higher ups at Turbine even think they can gain a profit from these wants they will put in an overhaul.

So what can we who may not really want pvp do about this? Well we can go around the forums un-signing ideas of those who want it or we can help them put forth ideas that will not affect our pve environment. Point blank you can keep saying /not signed take pvp out but if they want to do an overhaul we wont be able to stop them not without a huge influx of quitters and real ones not forum drama queens.

Honestly I wouldnt give pvp 2 thoughts if I didn't sit back and realize just how much ddo has changed and continues to. We see more threads like this where people are trying to constructively come up with changes and I hope that the developers if they are reading will focus on ideas like this cause I just have that nagging feeling that pvp will be addressed one day and if we do not act wise about it we will have an invasive system put in and I really dont want to see that.

So far good ideas Ive seen is a zone like the crystal cove, guild vs guild ideas and level choices. As I said before pvp is something I do not find interesting in this game, though I have and continue to enjoy it in other games. But I am being realistic and I wish others would see the writing on the wall. They wouldnt have this section if someone wasnt there to consider pvp aspects and needs. I would love to get a jump on making sure an overhaul happens that doesnt hurt our game instead of being obstinate against it.

/soap box

[Seikojin]

I dont know if I can say this enough, people may not believe me now but I want this post saved for the archives.

Whether we like it or not pvp is in the game. With the influx of new players with Ebberon Unlimited we have and will see more cries for pvp. If the higher ups at Turbine even think they can gain a profit from these wants they will put in an overhaul.

So what can we who may not really want pvp do about this? Well we can go around the forums un-signing ideas of those who want it or we can help them put forth ideas that will not affect our pve environment. Point blank you can keep saying /not signed take pvp out but if they want to do an overhaul we wont be able to stop them not without a huge influx of quitters and real ones not forum drama queens.

Honestly I wouldnt give pvp 2 thoughts if I didn't sit back and realize just how much ddo has changed and continues to. We see more threads like this where people are trying to constructively come up with changes and I hope that the developers if they are reading will focus on ideas like this cause I just have that nagging feeling that pvp will be addressed one day and if we do not act wise about it we will have an invasive system put in and I really dont want to see that.

So far good ideas Ive seen is a zone like the crystal cove, guild vs guild ideas and level choices. As I said before pvp is something I do not find interesting in this game, though I have and continue to enjoy it in other games. But I am being realistic and I wish others would see the writing on the wall. They wouldnt have this section if someone wasnt there to consider pvp aspects and needs. I would love to get a jump on making sure an overhaul happens that doesnt hurt our game instead of being obstinate against it.

/soap box

I totally agree on this point. Again, like most other features in the game, more options = better game.

[count_spicoli]

I dont know if I can say this enough, people may not believe me now but I want this post saved for the archives.

Whether we like it or not pvp is in the game. With the influx of new players with Ebberon Unlimited we have and will see more cries for pvp. If the higher ups at Turbine even think they can gain a profit from these wants they will put in an overhaul.

So what can we who may not really want pvp do about this? Well we can go around the forums un-signing ideas of those who want it or we can help them put forth ideas that will not affect our pve environment. Point blank you can keep saying /not signed take pvp out but if they want to do an overhaul we wont be able to stop them not without a huge influx of quitters and real ones not forum drama queens.

Honestly I wouldnt give pvp 2 thoughts if I didn't sit back and realize just how much ddo has changed and continues to. We see more threads like this where people are trying to constructively come up with changes and I hope that the developers if they are reading will focus on ideas like this cause I just have that nagging feeling that pvp will be addressed one day and if we do not act wise about it we will have an invasive system put in and I really dont want to see that.

So far good ideas Ive seen is a zone like the crystal cove, guild vs guild ideas and level choices. As I said before pvp is something I do not find interesting in this game, though I have and continue to enjoy it in other games. But I am being realistic and I wish others would see the writing on the wall. They wouldnt have this section if someone wasnt there to consider pvp aspects and needs. I would love to get a jump on making sure an overhaul happens that doesnt hurt our game instead of being obstinate against it.

/soap box

ya what he said

[Kalari]

ya what he said

*coughs* she

[Therigar]

*coughs* she

Now you've got everyone wierded out realizing there are women who play this game for real, not just in their imaginations....

[protokon]

I don't think the devs should waste time removing pvp from the game. Leave the lobster there, it's fun to see all the crying and moaning on general chat

in the few weeks ive been hanging out there, i have not seen a single comment in general chat. In fact, virtually all trash talking I have seen is in the form of tells.

squelch works wonders when you want to avoid the trash talking.

general chat is flooded with ridiculous chat everywhere, the lobster is not the reason for this.

[Tsuarok]

Now you've got everyone wierded out realizing there are women who play this game for real, not just in their imaginations....

Ah the internet! Where women are men and children are cops.

[DropList]

Pvp in ddo is meant only for a side note. The game is not based at all towards Pvp.....and never will be. You want great pvp you will have to find another game....Rift and warhammer come to mind. I too wish we had a btter pvp base...but its a Pve game like it or not.