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    Lightbulb Drow racial enhancments

    I remember reading in few posts people being unhappy with drow racial enhancements. What I suggest is to add line enhancement for every particular stat that has its bonus, BUT taking points in one would block enhancement in other two. That would make rolling draw bit more attractive for some of the players.

    P.S.
    have anybody else had that idea before?
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    I could see this making Drow more appreciated and versatile.

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    I play a pair of Drows, and would enjoy this.
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    Drows need a buff.

    If I have understood correctly, they are not very good choice of race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirlian View Post
    I remember reading in few posts people being unhappy with drow racial enhancements. What I suggest is to add line enhancement for every particular stat that has its bonus, BUT taking points in one would block enhancement in other two. That would make rolling draw bit more attractive for some of the players.

    P.S.
    have anybody else had that idea before?
    Yes, its well known, long ago proposed idea how to buff Drow.
    Of course signed, since if race have a bonus to ability it should have enchantments to it as well.

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    drow is the poor mans 32 build i think thats the niche they fill

    though they are decent on wiz sorcerers twf paladin

    but thats indeed only becous of there stats and not the enchantments the boost to sr is ok and the shiruken feat is fun i guess ^^
    vut they could use some more good enchantments ( scorpion wrath mebey ?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by licho View Post
    Yes, its well known, long ago proposed idea how to buff Drow.
    Of course signed, since if race have a bonus to ability it should have enchantments to it as well.
    ^^^ What he said!
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    /signed, good idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirlian View Post
    I remember reading in few posts people being unhappy with drow racial enhancements. What I suggest is to add line enhancement for every particular stat that has its bonus, BUT taking points in one would block enhancement in other two. That would make rolling draw bit more attractive for some of the players.

    P.S.
    have anybody else had that idea before?
    Drow have been overdue for a fix for ages. A 30 pt drow elder unlocked at a higher favour would be nice as well though if stats were to be available as suggested then this should not be an option.


    Stat bonuses have been suggested many times over the years. Other ideas from myself include fixes to melee and other areas:

    Instead of Dragon marks

    Spell-Like Abilities:

    Drow can use the following spell-like abilities (1 per rest maybe with optional addtional uses):

    dancing lights (Not really applicable in game)
    darkness would see this as a variation of Glitterdust
    faerie fire (negate blur/Displacement/Invis on 1 target)
    levitate (in some cases) (blade barrier casting anmimation for 3 seconds head in the cloud buff)

    A variation of the spell like abilites is to add a feat called Drow Noble which works along the lines of Dragon
    mark feats opening up the use of the above powers



    Improvements:

    Lets look at the strengths and common traits of the race (I am by no means familiar with the drow or ebberon in
    general in the rpg setting having played like many 20+ years in other settings)
    SR, while when they were introduced it was way overpowered to have their full SR, this has changed, the suggestion
    for the enhancements to take this even further is a reasonable one as it does not protect vs damage spells and
    would provide only a small advatage at best over some classes.

    2 Weapon fighting, Drow since their introduction in DnD have been known for their 2 Weapon fighting ability. My
    first thought was to make the tempest prc available as a racial but nightmares of 20th level fighter capstoned
    tempested kept me up at night :-)

    My suggestion for this is to provide and alternate line for the rapier/shortsword similar to longsword/rapier and
    Scimitar for elves as follows:

    While weilding 2 weapons instead of a specific weapon drow can unlock the +2/+2 hit damage bonus. This would allow
    drow to gain a bonus with any weapon while dual weilding.

    This would be exclusive of the current bonus to short sword/rapier to allow people

    As another enhancement line in ballance with the dwarf armour mastery, Drow may unlock a 2 weapon bonus to defense
    (thinking +2 at the moment but may be higher)
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    Drow already have unrivaled spell DC. Adding to their primary strength will make drow the ultimate caster race. Better than horcs for a melee.

    Easy solution would be Elven Arcanum enhancement line but I am afraid even that can be too much.
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    If we talk about general Dwor buff then my favorites are:
    1. Add one more tier of Racial weapon attack/dmg, as well as some seeker-like enchantment. (all this with price off course).
    2. Whirling Steel Strike Feat + Drow Enchantment AP spend = centered monk with rapiers.
    3. You can rise any combinacion of dex/cha/int with AP, but only 2 total. (even rising Cha/int only by 1 total would be interesting)
    4. Add secondary racial weapon tree with all xbows.

    That will kick Drows from " I want play Pally/Roguebard but hasnt 32" to something more tasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krag View Post
    Drow already have unrivaled spell DC. Adding to their primary strengt will make drow the ultimate caster race. Better than horcs for a melee.

    Easy solution would be Elven Arcanum enhancement line but I am afraid even that can be too much.
    Sorry not even close the advantage of Horcs there. But I agree as none of the other races have mental stat bonuses an additional bonus to it for drow may be a bit off ballance. Drow are already strong casters both in Sorc and Wiz, it is the other areas and in misc areas that they need a buff. Elven Arcanum should not be considered as elves being a magical race need to have some specific perk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krag View Post
    Drow already have unrivaled spell DC.
    Sorry a completely geared human is the equal of a completely geared drow, until then the drow at different stages may be better.
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    Yes that was my idea behind the suggestion of adding enhancement to any of the three stats, to make drow either exceptional caster or something that is dex-based (Belo). Adding to it weapon enhancements might be profitable to the popularity of that race specially via store. Yes, I'm not afraid to play on that note, at the end of the day drow is store product and busting its enhancements will increase its sale.

    I would rather see specific drow 2wf enhancements then simple tempest PrE, simple 2 or 3 tiers of reducing 2wf penalties and/or adding double strike, AC, but only while wielding their racial weapons.

    About the mental stats, as many of us know humans can get equal DC as drow, and that puts drows in second position specially with their -2con so creating mental stats enhancements would be create serious advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirlian View Post
    I remember reading in few posts people being unhappy with drow racial enhancements. What I suggest is to add line enhancement for every particular stat that has its bonus, BUT taking points in one would block enhancement in other two. That would make rolling drow bit more attractive for some of the players.

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    have anybody else had that idea before?

    Sorry for the major thread necro.... just wanted to say

    THANK YOU DEVS for implementing this.


    (just hope more things from the suggestions forum make it into the game in less than two years )


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    Wiz gets +10 on his roll

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