New Savant spell selections

[Xenostrata]

I thought I would post my new choices for spells on my shiny new Savants, since a lot has changed in what is considered "required" or "optimal."

Feel free to comment or post your own, but please include your savant type if you make your own spell lists.

Wyllywyl - Air Savant:

Spell level 1:
Expeditious Retreat, Jump, Nightshield, and Ray of Enfeeblement

Spell level 2:
Blur, False Life, Knock, and Resist Energy

Spell level 3:
Displacement, Haste, Heroism, and Rage

Spell level 4:
Dimension Door, Enervate, Fireshield, and Solid Fog

Spell level 5:
Ball Lightning, Cyclonic Blast, Eladar's Electric Surge, and Protection from Elements

Spell level 6:
Chain Lightning, Disintegrate, Reconstruct

Spell level 7:
Finger of Death, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, and Prismatic Spray

Spell level 8:
Otto's Irresistable Dance, Polar Ray, Summon Monster VIII

Spell level 9:
Mass Hold Monster, Power Word Kill, and Wail of the Banshee.

Lywyll - Water Savant:

Mostly the same as Wyl, except

Spell Level 4:
Dimension Door, Fireshield, Ice Storm, and Stoneskin

Spell Level 5:
Niac's Biting Cold, Cloudkill, Cone of Cold, and Protection from Elements

Spell Level 6:
Disintegrate, Otiluke's Freezing Sphere, and Reconstruct

Spell Level 8:
Horrid Wilting, Otto's Irresistable Dance, and Polar Ray

Spell Level 9:
Energy Drain, Hold Monster Mass, and Power Word Kill

Note - biggest losses are WoF in specific cases (kiting ToD, easy crystal in phase 2) and GH. WoF I can live with since I hated that spell anyway, and GH can be cast from scrolls. This means that I won't be raid buffing GH anymore, since I have no intention of using 36+ scrolls everyone time I run shroud.

Hoping to see what earth and fire savants have lined up.

[Arctigis]

You should make room for Niac's Biting Cold and Eladar's Electric Surge in both lists. I find these two savants
complement each other well e.g. if air, take second specialization enhancements in water and vice versa. Both of
the new L5 DoT's are too good to leave off the table IMO.

[Tid12]

I thought I would post my new choices for spells on my shiny new Savants, since a
Spell level 2:
Blur, False Life, Knock, and Resist Energy

Id swap out false life for something else..like web,scorching ray or dunno your choice

Spell level 3:
Displacement, Haste, Heroism, and Rage

Why Heroism? Maybe Halt undead instead of its place, chain missiles, Ray of Ex. I went with the first.

Spell level 4:
Dimension Door, Enervate, Fireshield, and Stoneskin

Ditched Stoneskin cause it is an earth savant spell and took solid fog for the -5 Reflex to mobs and WoF instead of Enervate. If you dont want WoF, u might choose Ice Storm, crushing despair for the -Will save.

Spell level 5:
Ball Lightning, Cyclonic Blast, Eladar's Electric Surge, and Protection from Elements

Cyclonic for Niacs here for me, didnt really like it.

Spell level 6:
Chain Lightning, Disintegrate, Reconstruct

Same here

Spell level 7:
Finger of Death, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, and Prismatic Spray


Spell level 8:
Otto's Irresistable Dance, Polar Ray, Summon Monster VIII

Same

Spell level 9:
Mass Hold Monster, Power Word Kill, and Wail of the Banshee.

Swapped Wail for Enervation, Necro DCs sucks anyway for me.

[Xenostrata]

Id swap out false life for something else..like web,scorching ray or dunno your choice

I prefer having +20 hp for cheap, with raid buffs I can get a nice 140 hitpoint buffer before I start taking damage in my real health.

Why Heroism? Maybe Halt undead instead of its place, chain missiles, Ray of Ex. I went with the first.

Cheap +2 for UMD, since I dumped GH. Wouldn't want to find myself lacking a scroll, and have a fail chance on a crucial heal/raise cast.

Ditched Stoneskin cause it is an earth savant spell and took solid fog for the -5 Reflex to mobs and WoF instead of Enervate. If you dont want WoF, u might choose Ice Storm, crushing despair for the -Will save.

Good point, forgot about -9 CL on this one. Solid Fog would be best to switch it in.

Cyclonic for Niacs here for me, didnt really like it.

Don't really see a need for another DoT, this one without any buffs. Cyclonic Knockdown is fun, and it lets me clear areas of enemy WoF or fogs.

Swapped Wail for Energy Drain, Necro DCs sucks anyway for me.

I think I might as well, just found it useful for clearing shroud trash.

You should make room for Niac's Biting Cold and Eladar's Electric Surge in both lists. I find these two savants
complement each other well e.g. if air, take second specialization enhancements in water and vice versa. Both of
the new L5 DoT's are too good to leave off the table IMO.

I meant to put it on both, but ended up forgetting to throw Cold on Lyw's list. Thanks for the catch.

Comments.

[Cinos]

Ditch Reconstruct on water and pick up FtS for CC. More important than healing the occasional WF.

[Zachski]

That, and you can still scroll Reconstruct if you need to.

I mean, hey, Clerics use Heal scrolls, just carry some Reconstruct scrolls for the same effect.

[Thesoulgazer]

Spell level 7:
Finger of Death, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, and Prismatic Spray

No waves of exhaustion? I just got back on the game yesterday from before what I think was the spell update that hurt Waves but did they nerf it that badly?

[Jaid314]

No waves of exhaustion? I just got back on the game yesterday from before what I think was the spell update that hurt Waves but did they nerf it that badly?

it no longer slows down red-names. it's still got it's uses, but it's no longer (essentially) a requirement. it is, however, still a very good spell, just not as good as it once was.

[shagath]

Hmm, why horrid wilting? It's not water boosted. At least damage lines. Still using the same lists?

[Merlocke]

tried Horrid Wilting...that spell has some targeting issues...

[Jaid314]

Hmm, why horrid wilting? It's not water boosted. At least damage lines. Still using the same lists?

it is water-boosted, just not cold-boosted. that is, water savant (is supposed to) boost it, but it isn't a cold spell... so you need potency or efficacy VIII, which either doesn't exist to my knowledge (potency) or only lasts for a very short time (efficacy) compared to elemental clickies, while also not adding quite as much damage. still a nice spell though, imo... or will be, if you can target it properly

[shagath]

it is water-boosted, just not cold-boosted.

I see, thanks for clearing this.

[Thesoulgazer]

Hey, anyone know what determines evasion for lightning spells? Some of the mobs over in Shavarah are evading my lightning spells some of the time.

[Arctigis]

Hey, anyone know what determines evasion for lightning spells? Some of the mobs over in Shavarah are evading my lightning spells some of the time.

Any spell that has a reflex save for half damage is avoided completely if the target has evasion (and makes their
save). It's quite annoying in Shavarath as an Air Savant I admit.

[sirgog]

You should make room for Niac's Biting Cold and Eladar's Electric Surge in both lists. I find these two savants
complement each other well e.g. if air, take second specialization enhancements in water and vice versa. Both of
the new L5 DoT's are too good to leave off the table IMO.

This.

Even if you are an acid savant, Electric Surge is still a solid spell with one AP in electric amplification - it's so good that -9 caster levels isn't enough to kill it.

[Thesoulgazer]

Any spell that has a reflex save for half damage is avoided completely if the target has evasion (and makes their
save). It's quite annoying in Shavarath as an Air Savant I admit.

Ah, so its my abysmal DCs that are the problem.

[Wanker]

i've been reading a few posts about air/water combinations and was wondering what that thought was about creatures with elemental resists like golems?

originally, i was thinking of air/force for disintegrate, but am not seeing many people talk about that approach. how are they handling creatures only affected by force or un-typed damage?

thanks for any thoughts!

[Ridag]

i've been reading a few posts about air/water combinations and was wondering what that thought was about creatures with elemental resists like golems?

originally, i was thinking of air/force for disintegrate, but am not seeing many people talk about that approach. how are they handling creatures only affected by force or un-typed damage?

thanks for any thoughts!

They've removed many of those elemental immunities throughout the game, but I'd imagine most of people that are air/water carry either Cyclonic Blast or Disintegrate.

[Xenostrata]

Ah, so its my abysmal DCs that are the problem.

I found sacrificing a feat for Heighten make those SLAs hit a lot more often, on all but the highest reflex evasion mobs.

Been playing around with Prismatic Spray, the high point being when I vaporized a group of 6 or 7 mobs with a single cast. It's a lot of fun, but not as visually pleasing as I would have imagined it to be (also, the FtS seems to proc less than the rest. Maybe just luck?)

[Sweyn]

That, and you can still scroll Reconstruct if you need to.

I mean, hey, Clerics use Heal scrolls, just carry some Reconstruct scrolls for the same effect.

Reconstruct scrolls alone will not suffice if you need to be the main healer for a Sulo tank in ToD, or if you need to heal up that 900 HP Barb.

I mean, hey, Clerics use the heal spell since scrolls aren't enough to keep up a main horoth tank, just use the reconstruct spell for the same effect.