Receiving end of my first blacklisting.

[Aranticus]

My wizard is using Epic Belt of The Mroranon because this belt is simply too weak for melees. Unless you're a monk, you're better of using Ravager set, FB set if barb, Kotc set if pally against EO. Not every WIZARD cares about extra 0.25 crit multiplier from AM set, while the Epic Mroranon Belt is great for consolidation and theres no single feature on this belt that isnt useful to a wizard (say a wizard doesn't need str and I'll kill with laughter)

OP fail.

focus on the issue here. the fail on the part of the OP is he didnt exclude the 98 roll guy BEFORE the roll

as to your toons. an un-epiced von belt is good for lowbies. tod belts are ML18

[phalaeo]

Sorry, OP- you were in the wrong here. If you would have stated that you were excluding him from the roll before hand, fine. You just don't put something up and then tell people their roll doesn't count afterwards.

[Ugumagre]

I consider myself a newbie, I usually have no idea of loot, named loot, builds, quest and donowhat. That is why I almost always play with a static group of similar loosers.
If I would play in a PUG and somebody would set loot to roll, I would roll and be eager to get the loot, no matter what it is and no matter if it is good, bad or useless for my toon, as I have no idea. Probably I would have been more a nuisance than a help in the whole quest. Even knowing that, I would be extremly pixxed off if i would get excluded after rolling. So you should understand the other guy. I understand your point, but try to see the other point of view.
In your case, i would have tried to sweeten the deal giving some other loot to him/her.

[Dark_Helmet]

focus on the issue here. the fail on the part of the OP is he didnt exclude the 98 roll guy BEFORE the roll

as to your toons. an un-epiced von belt is good for lowbies. tod belts are ML18

Hi Welcome!

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And, I totally agree:

Roll was declared without conditions.
Wiz wins the roll - I bet he was excitied (woot, I won named loot!)
You just dash his hopes that honest people play this game.

Shame on the OP for sure!

[corpman]

It was your loot to do with as you please. How would you know some idiot was gonna roll againt some legitimate rolls. I would have asked who wanted it and prolly rolled my real dice between those who i thought could use and given on that basis that way no drama cause noone sees the roll

[dunklezhan]

Your loot is your loot, so you can put any rules you like on things you put up for roll. Absolutely, totally agree.

But if you are going to put rules on it, you should say so when you put it up. Not afterwards. All you said was 'up for roll'. If I then roll on it and win, you should award it. To do otherwise is disingenuous at best, and essentially dishonest. And dishonesty is dishonourable. Bit of an archaic way of putting it instead of just saying "that wasn't fair", but true.

You don't know that the wizard has zero chance of TRing into that item.

You assume so - possibly with good reason - but you don't know. Mostly it appears you decided this was the case becase the wizard didn't perform as you expected and had low HP. These days, I keep hearing that everything is so easy that any newb can reach cap (I can confirm that's true, actually - I have indeed made it to cap). Which means any newb can TR.

Maybe he does therefore need that helm. Maybe he doesn't but that's not the point - you put it up for roll without any caveats, so if I was in that party I would expect you to live with the results. If you'd said "up for roll on melee's" that would be absolutely fair enough. But you didn't. So I can see why people would be narked with you.

[Deathdefy]

This is the last I'll post in this thread, but I think I conceptualized "up for roll" differently to others in this thread.

I consider, <item> for roll to implicitly contain a "if you will potentially use this item", because frankly, I'd rather vendor it myself if that's where it's headed if you win the roll.

I didn't buy this basic contention that "up for roll" meant "up for roll even if you can't use it, will never use, and will vendor it".

I still find it questionable, and certainly will interpret others "up for roll" to still mean "only roll if you intend to use this item." But, I will qualify my own rolls with "if you will potentially use this item".

What Corpman said is exactly how I viewed this situation. I was dreading that the wiz would roll on it and I would have to veto it, because I freaking knew he would randomly roll because "ooh shinies! everyone's rolling!".

[Maxallu]

TS was wrong and deserved what he got.

[Paleus]

Lets consider another example. Reavers Fate run, madstone boots drop. OP puts them up for roll in the same manner. A wizard wins the roll on his new potency item. In this situation I guarantee someone is going to post on the board how both the OP and the wizard were idiots in that case if the wizard got to loot it.

There does seem to be some background consensus that even if rules werent clearly stated up front, that people should just know to only roll to loot what they can use. I am not saying that this is the case here, as clearly the group and a good portion of the forums seem to disagree. But it is there.

Second, cut to the heart of the matter in your post. Remove all reference about the caster's playstyle because if his class's ability to use the gear is your only deciding factor then the playstyle is immaterial. Rather, it seems that you just didnt like him and therefore you were unconsciously specifically excluding that one person, but hadnt articulated it to yourself or the group.

[voodoogroves]

And of course, a WF wiz could use that thing immediately. Moderate fort and STR item, slot consolidation goodness.

[MartinusWyllt]

It doesn't matter if he makes it epic or not. You think wizards shouldn't be allowed to roll on it and you're wrong.

You and a few others seemed to have missed why the wizard was actually being excluded: for being a tool. He's just being polite in saying it is an item v. class that can use it issue. He didn't want to pass raid loot to a player that was...

1. obviously rolling after the fact just to roll.
2. had been a strain on group resources/time and had been unable to follow instructions.

So it isn't about "honor" or "morals" it is about not wanting to reward stupid.

[Ugumagre]

This is the last I'll post in this thread, but I think I conceptualized "up for roll" differently to others in this thread.

I consider, <item> for roll to implicitly contain a "if you will potentially use this item", because frankly, I'd rather vendor it myself if that's where it's headed if you win the roll.

I didn't buy this basic contention that "up for roll" meant "up for roll even if you can't use it, will never use, and will vendor it".

I still find it questionable, and certainly will interpret others "up for roll" to still mean "only roll if you intend to use this item." But, I will qualify my own rolls with "if you will potentially use this item".

What Corpman said is exactly how I viewed this situation. I was dreading that the wiz would roll on it and I would have to veto it, because I freaking knew he would randomly roll because "ooh shinies! everyone's rolling!".

Again, I understand your point of view. But understand that a new player DOESNT know that and will be not amused. And he/she may blacklist you. So, you should understand the reaction too.

[Cardtrick]

Life goes on, 10 more runs and I might get them on my end reward list, lol.

The day someone does 20 VON runs for a chance at the Ruby Encrusted Gauntlets in their reward list . . . will be a hilarious day, indeed.

[Mr_Ed7]

GET ON THE BIG D TRAIN.

You tell everyone to roll THEN tell the guy WHO WON THE ROLL...

You can't have it!

Then you add the snip of "Cry to the Forums."????

Wow.

I am going to make a toon on your server just so I can blacklist you.

Love the guys that change the rules while the play is in progress.

You sir need to get on the BIG D TRAIN.

[Burradin]

Wizards wouldn't use the belt? Why not? Epic Belt of the Mroranon: Belt, Str 7, Heavy Fort, Toughness, Yellow Slot. Looks like a great belt on a wizard eventually as well, certainly as many DPS would go for a ToD set and never leave home without it...
In short, even with all the OP flaming context, I don't see any reason why the wizard shouldn't be allowed to roll on it. The wizard won the roll. You didn't tell the pug-raid there were any rules. The wizard should have had it. Simple.

Exactly, issue is with the OP, not the wizard. If I put something up for roll and don't specify a certain group, then it is up for everyone. The OP is now trying to tell the wizard how to run his toons with is another problem with the OP, not the wizard.

[NinjaNeed]

When I put an item up for roll I give priority to those who will use it NOW over those that want it for a possible TR.

I have twice passed the Madstone Boots to the second highest roller as the highest was a caster (wiz then cleric). Same goes for the healing gloves, a ranger rolled highest and wanted them to TR into a FVS. Nope, the cleric in the grp will use them now, he gets them.

[sweez]

I just mentally block out any rolls made by people who were glaringly incompetent. Which means I'm often pleasantly surprised by winning a roll on something I didn't even notice I rolled on.

[Sirea]

Some of you guys are missing the point I think. He didn't give it to the wizard, not because he was a wizard, but because he was a noob. I probably would have done the same thing.

[Burradin]

This is the last I'll post in this thread, but I think I conceptualized "up for roll" differently to others in this thread.

I consider, <item> for roll to implicitly contain a "if you will potentially use this item", because frankly, I'd rather vendor it myself if that's where it's headed if you win the roll.

I didn't buy this basic contention that "up for roll" meant "up for roll even if you can't use it, will never use, and will vendor it".

I still find it questionable, and certainly will interpret others "up for roll" to still mean "only roll if you intend to use this item." But, I will qualify my own rolls with "if you will potentially use this item".

What Corpman said is exactly how I viewed this situation. I was dreading that the wiz would roll on it and I would have to veto it, because I freaking knew he would randomly roll because "ooh shinies! everyone's rolling!".

With TR's now, how can you classify as needed. You don't know if you don't ask and you didn't from what you said. You just decided you were better than the wizard and honestly, after seeing you do that, I wouldn't want to run with you either. Justify all you want, but you were in the wrong.

[Truga]

E-Honour is indeed very important! Without e-Honour, we (the players) would only have pixels!