Buff Savants!

[sephiroth1084]

We tested some elite shroud and such, very few things have enough reflex to care about, but the devil riad bosses on elite have pretty substantial reflex saves.

And Evasion.

[Yan_PL]

pure sorceror DCs are lower by 3 than pure archmage of chosen school with +2 int capstone. Not to mention that feat starvation leaves them with less chances to get greater spell focus. Also, wizards (especially elven) have easier time overcoming enemy SR (more feats mean possibility to get GSP feat, elven arcanum works only for wizards, not sorcs).

BUT THAT'S OKAY! We, sorcs, excell at other things, at spells that don't give saves. I've ran in 12-sorc shroud shortly after u9 came live. and it was fun, glorious fun.
Tho, even if it is okay, Savant prestige line seems sometimes underpowered compared to high DC enchantment archmage hypnotizing countless mobs on echoes of power. Or, high DC transmuter having heightened Flesh to stone as SLA. Or necromancer.

I would recommend one change that most sorcs would cherish, namely, 3rd tier of savant should add 1 to DCs of spells and SLAs of given element.

Alternatively, adding burning blood for fire/earth, biting cold for water, and eladar for air as purchasable SLA (like purchasable SLAs for Archmage)

[Jaid314]

i'm not entirely certain the SLAs are really even all that good anyways... in questing with just myself as a PM wizard using SLAs alongside a water savant, it really seemed like the deciding factor for who got the most kills tended to be when you decided to drop the wail of the banshee bomb. apart from that, i'd say we each tended to do about the same overall... now granted, kill count is not the perfect measurement of DPS, but it isn't a completely worthless one either, provided nobody is deliberately trying to pad their kill count.

perhaps more testing will lead to a different conclusion, but at the moment... i can't say that i see savant as being that great, based on what i've seen so far.

[stille_nacht]

at level 13, savant *is* completely OP. so is every other caster in the game, with or without PrE, provided they are being played by someone reasonably competent... at level 13.

fast forward to level 20... not so much.

and then someone killed arraetrikos, only him on dps, with 2 healers, in 4 min 30 seconds with no pots :O
im pretty sure that there is no need tah fix this...

[Trillea]

and then i killed arraetrikos, by myself, with 2 healers, in 4 min 30 seconds. yeah it wasnt that hard. did i do more damage than a barb? yep. was i also far away? yep. can i also cc when i feel like it? 42 mass hold says yup. did i pot? nope.

im pretty sure that there is no need tah fix this...

I'll believe this when I see it.

[stille_nacht]

I'll believe this when I see it.

spamming those SLAs help, and he can be frozen (which i doubt was intentional), also the weakness was constantly stacked (which they havent fixed)

[Trillea]

spamming those SLAs help, and he can be frozen (which i doubt was intentional)

The freeze I can guarantee is not intentional - the Devs don't want red or purple names slowed or immobilized at all - this is obvious with the recent Waves nerf. What kind of savant - ice or electric?

[stille_nacht]

The freeze I can guarantee is not intentional - the Devs don't want red or purple names slowed or immobilized at all - this is obvious with the recent Waves nerf. What kind of savant - ice or electric?

icy , electricity is for scrubs!

also not that i had all weaknesses stacked 5x, which will be fixed some time

[Trillea]

also the weakness was constantly stacked (which they havent fixed)

So the weakness IS stacking right now is what you are saying?

[Trillea]

icy , electricity is for scrubs!

Tru dat

[stille_nacht]

So the weakness IS stacking right now is what you are saying?

nah like it can stack 5x, i think its supposed to be 3x or something. (also, the time was probably a bit longer, its was a test thingy and one of teh clerics said: "wow 4 and a half minutes", but in an indignant way, so he was probably downing it a bit... still great dps tho 8D)

[Trillea]

nah like it can stack 5x, i think its supposed to be 3x or something.

According to the release notes it's not supposed to stack at all. If it is stacking (I am cuurently trying to re-level my sorc to levels needed for it) then you are right - it does not need buffed. This was what I was trying to get changed - savants need the stacking curses to be viable. I was campaigning to get the curse to be stacking to 3.

[stille_nacht]

According to the release notes it's not supposed to stack at all. If it is stacking (I am cuurently trying to re-level my sorc to levels needed for it) then you are right - it does not need buffed. This was what I was trying to get changed - savants need the stacking curses to be viable. I was campaigning to get the curse to be stacking to 3.

ah, dang, my savant damage will go down so much if they "fix" it 8O, btw is it calculated 1.15^5 or 1+.15x5 ? nyone know?

[Trillea]

ah, dang, my savant damage will go down so much if they "fix" it 8O, btw is it calculated 1.15^5 or 1+.15x5 ? nyone know?

Which is what I am trying to prevent here. It is supposed to be 1+.15x5 - if they are supposed to stack.