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    Community Member eruhuan's Avatar
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    Default Does the new AoV Pre increases damage for Destruction & Implosion on failed saves

    Angel of Vengeance II
    You now deal 30% additional damage with spells that deal fire, physical, or untyped damage
    Destruction
    Raw destructive power is channeled to utterly annihilate an enemy, dealing 4 to 6 per caster level damage. Target is also subject to a death effect and will die without a successful Fortitude save. D&D Dice: Kills one enemy or deals 4 to 6 per caster level damage on a successful save
    Implosion
    A target now takes 4 to 6 per caster level in damage on a successful save
    Well
    1. What is the damage type these spells inflict on a failed save?
    2. Is it affected by the new Angel of Vengeance Prestige?
    3. Can these spells now be Empowered and Maximized?

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    Unless I'm mistaken, the damage dealt by these types of spells has always been typed as Negative Energy damage. Also, Max and Emp have never affected them and should continue not to.
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    Yes, it's negative. No boost.

    The boost comes from the fact that they do damage at all. The 50 points that Destruction inflicted was a joke, and Implosion did nothing at all.

    Now they actually do meaningful damage to stuff.

    Which makes for one interesting item:

    http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/ite...spx?itemid=348

    Implosion ticks what, 6 times during its run? 4-6 per caster level at level 20 means 100 points. With that equipped, that's 130 per tick, or 780 damage...assuming none of them crit, and I did see a failed Destruction crit for 250 points, so it can happen.

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    Edit...Hmm, Wail does the same type of damage. A 20th PMIII with the full Pale Master ToD set is getting +60% from Epic Nullification, and another 45% from the PrE.

    I don't -think- that Empower and Maximize boost this damage (they certainly never did on pre-U9 Destruction).
    Last edited by Matuse; 04-27-2011 at 07:02 AM.
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    Destruction definitely used to be untyped, I don't know if it was changed for U9.

    Applicable metamagics can be determined by mousing over. Destruction only lists Enlarge, Heighten, and Quicken, so neither Empower nor Maximize should work with it.

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