What's the difference between Suggestion and Charm Monster?

[Espoire]

Differences I see:

Level 3 spell versus level 4 spell.
Suggestion costs less SP (by virtue of the previous line).
Suggestion has a spell component cost (oh noes, because those are expensive >.>).
Suggestion does NOT have a somatic cost. (Does this matter in DDO? Can I cast it while held, etc?)
Charm Monster allows periodic additional saves, Suggestion does NOT.
Suggestion has a 1 second lower base cooldown than Charm Monster.

Am I missing something? Is a level 3 spell just outright better in every way (except for base save DC) to a level 4 spell?

[LrdSlvrhnd]

Differences I see:

Level 3 spell versus level 4 spell.
Suggestion costs less SP (by virtue of the previous line).
Suggestion has a spell component cost (oh noes, because those are expensive >.>).
Suggestion does NOT have a somatic cost. (Does this matter in DDO? Can I cast it while held, etc?)
Charm Monster allows periodic additional saves, Suggestion does NOT.
Suggestion has a 1 second lower base cooldown than Charm Monster.

Am I missing something? Is a level 3 spell just outright better in every way (except for base save DC) to a level 4 spell?

You can't cast it while held, but you CAN cast it in armor or while holding a shield without worrying about ASF.

I believe that Suggestion has a max (and fairly short, especially at low levels) length, while Charm Monster can be, effectively, unlimited.

[sebastianosmith]

Well, the former only hints at a good time while the latter almost guarantees it.

[Jaid314]

suggestion only works on things that can understand a language. it's more like a deluxe charm person, expanded to work on intelligent creatures like giants (eg ogres, trolls) or monstrous humanoids (eg sahuagin)... but not animals such as dogs or cats, for example (note: some creatures, like worgs, only *look* like animals).

[Espoire]

suggestion only works on things that can understand a language. it's more like a deluxe charm person, expanded to work on intelligent creatures like giants (eg ogres, trolls) or monstrous humanoids (eg sahuagin)... but not animals such as dogs or cats, for example (note: some creatures, like worgs, only *look* like animals).

Thanks, this is exactly what I was interested in. I'm going to add that to the wiki, since the page on both is lacking that distinction.