U9 spell change feedback

[Azonalanthious]

So with U9 just around the corner now, I thought I would go ahead and add to the DooOOOoMMMMM1!!!11!!!!

How dare they nerf spells like:

Wall of Fire
Heal
Wail of the Banshee


The fact that they have improved in some way or another:

Acid Spray
Burning Hands
Cause Fear
Chill Touch
Niac’s Cold Ray
Magic Missile
Repair Light Damage
Sleep
Sonic Blast
Blindess
Daze Monster
Hypnotic Pattern
Electric Loop
Gust of Wind
Repair Moderate Damage
Scare
Scorching Ray
Touch of Idocy
Acid Ball
Bestow Curse
Fireball
Chain Missile
Frost Lance
Lightning Bolt
Deep Slumber
Rage
Ray of Exhaustion
Repair Serious Damage
Sleet storm
Contagion
Crushing Despair
Fear
Fire Trap
Enervation
Force Missile
Ice Storm
Phantasm Killer
Shou
Solid Fog
Stone Skin
Symbol of Fire
Ball Lightning
Cone of Cold
Dismiss
Hold Monster
Prismatic Ray
Waves of Fatigue
Symbol of Pain
Cyclonic Blast
Waves of Fatigue
Chain Lightning
Circle of Death
Create Undead
Disintegrate
Otiluke's Freezing Sphere
Undeath to Death
Banishment
Delayed Blast Fireball
Delayed Blast Fireball Trap
Finger of Death
Power Word: Blind
Symbol of Weakness
Greater Shout
Horrid Wilting
Sunburst
Incendiary cloud
Power Word: Stun
Symbol of Death
Polar Ray
Energy Drain
Meteor Swarm
Bane
Cause Fear
Command
Cure Light Wounds
Doom
Nimbus of Light
Close Wounds
Cure Moderate Wounds
Deific Vengeance
Bestow Curse
Blindess
Cure Serious Wounds
Glyph of Warding
Searing Light
Chaos Hammer
Cure Critical Wounds
Holy Smit
Order's Wrath
Poison
Symbol of Flame
Unholy Blight
Flame Strike
Slay Living
Symbol of Pain
Inflict Light Wounds, Mass
Cure Light Wounds, Mass
Blade Barrier.
Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass
Greater Glyph of Warding
Destruction
Firestorm
Symbol of Death
Implosion.

doesn't matter. Nope, not at all. Because, you know, we liked the tiny handful of spells that actually got something that could be called a nerf. And we don't want to learn to use/have to use the huge number of spells that got improved. No sirrah! Give us back out 'click one or two spells over and over again in every situation in every quest'. We don't want all this new better spells just our old handful of good spells back (or better yet anti-nerfed to an even higher level of power). We demand you hear us!

Thank you, that is all.

[Seamonkeysix]

Bah...spells, spells, spells! Meh...

Look what they did to vorpal. Oh Vorpal...how I shall miss thee!

[Duagrim]

OK, but you have forgotten 2 key facts;
(1) we know what we like.
(2) we like what we know.



DDDDDOOOOOOO000000000ooooooooMMMM!!!

[PwnHammer40K]

I like pie.

[Impaqt]

let us know when you actually test some of those "Improved" spells...

[NUDS]

-massive list of spells
Doom
-more spells

.


I see what you did there!

[Shade]

Every single spell in the so called "improved" side thats extendable currently, should be moved to the nerf side.

Many spells also got stealthed nerfed not listed in the release notes.
Solig for for example, which was nerfed years ago, was nerfed again in u9 unexplicably.. They added a save to it.

Overall yea some spells greatly improved.

Regardless, you don't make up for nerfing A) by buffing B). It doesn't work like that - every nerf should of been carefully thought out. That's like hading us a plate of ****, then tossing some sprinkles on it and expecting us to eat it.

The horrible nerf imo isn't spells tho, it's combat tactics. The new animations are terrible and reduce not only there effectiveness, but general dps.

[Azonalanthious]

Every single spell in the so called "improved" side thats extendable currently, should be moved to the nerf side.

Ahh, I'll edit those out right way... oh... did that already. I tried to leave out ever spell that was effected by the extend changes from the get go, as well as any spells that had a positive change but also a stealth nerf (but no promises I caught them all, its a long list of sprinkle spell improvements after all.).

let us know when you actually test some of those "Improved" spells...

Will do chief.

[Aashrym]

Solig for for example, which was nerfed years ago, was nerfed again in u9 unexplicably.. They added a save to it.

That should have been removed again. Is it back?

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

I like pie.

Yes, but do you know pie?

[picaisfun]

Time to start playing the guitar again. This game is becoming lame. Where the heck are the druids, gnomes and polearms?

-edit- Just read the release notes and I will give it a chance. Change is hard for some

[Backley]

So with U9 just around the corner now, I thought I would go ahead and add to the DooOOOoMMMMM1!!!11!!!!

How dare they nerf spells like:

Wall of Fire
Heal
Wail of the Banshee


The fact that they have improved in some way or another:

List had 6 duplicate entries. Here's the list without duplicates, sorted, with a few spelling typos corrected:
Acid Ball
Acid Spray
Ball Lightning
Bane
Banishment
Bestow Curse
Blade Barrier
Blindness
Burning Hands
Cause Fear
Chain Lightning
Chain Missile
Chaos Hammer
Chill Touch
Circle of Death
Close Wounds
Command
Cone of Cold
Contagion
Create Undead
Crushing Despair
Cure Critical Wounds
Cure Light Wounds
Cure Light Wounds, Mass
Cure Moderate Wounds
Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass
Cure Serious Wounds
Cyclonic Blast
Daze Monster
Deep Slumber
Deific Vengeance
Delayed Blast Fireball
Delayed Blast Fireball Trap
Destruction
Disintegrate
Dismiss
Doom
Electric Loop
Energy Drain
Enervation
Fear
Finger of Death
Fire Trap
Fireball
Firestorm
Flame Strike
Force Missile
Frost Lance
Glyph of Warding
Greater Glyph of Warding
Greater Shout
Gust of Wind
Hold Monster
Holy Smite
Horrid Wilting
Hypnotic Pattern
Ice Storm
Implosion
Incendiary cloud
Inflict Light Wounds, Mass
Lightning Bolt
Magic Missile
Meteor Swarm
Niac’s Cold Ray
Nimbus of Light
Order's Wrath
Otiluke's Freezing Sphere
Phantasm Killer
Poison
Polar Ray
Power Word: Blind
Power Word: Stun
Prismatic Ray
Rage
Ray of Exhaustion
Repair Light Damage
Repair Moderate Damage
Repair Serious Damage
Scare
Scorching Ray
Searing Light
Shout
Slay Living
Sleep
Sleet Storm
Solid Fog
Sonic Blast
Stone Skin
Sunburst
Symbol of Death
Symbol of Fire
Symbol of Flame
Symbol of Pain
Symbol of Weakness
Touch of Idiocy
Undeath to Death
Unholy Blight
Waves of Fatigue

[voxson5]

You know what you all sound like?



You think we can really make a change by crying about our one trick wonders? Adapt or die


P.S. although... (lol) my money's on a pretty close U9 patch that 'fixes' a few of the issues

[Doganpc]

Yes, but do you know pie?

I am Pie.

Dogan
Really good in the right amounts.

[Missing_Minds]

Bah...spells, spells, spells! Meh...

Look what they did to vorpal. Oh Vorpal...how I shall miss thee!

What is vorpal again? I've been running epics so much I've been tossing them like trash.

[Seamonkeysix]

What is vorpal again? I've been running epics so much I've been tossing them like trash.

It's those things you use in VoD to make it go faster.

[PwnHammer40K]

Time to start playing the guitar again. This game is becoming lame. Where the heck are the druids, gnomes and polearms?

Gnomes and polearms

bad idea.

[Alexandryte]

Gnomes and polearms

bad idea.

Is that like a braindead "rat dog" grabbing and running with a stick in front of them rather than sideways?



Cuz that would be bloody hilarious.

[Shade]

That should have been removed again. Is it back?

Yea I read the release note. The release notes are quite often wrong.
The save was never removed.

[Shade]

Ahh, I'll edit those out right way... oh... did that already. I tried to leave out ever spell that was effected by the extend changes from the get go, as well as any spells that had a positive change but also a stealth nerf (but no promises I caught them all, its a long list of sprinkle spell improvements after all.).

Well you you didn't do very well.. Here is a list of extendable spells in your list that are being nerfed:

Hypnotic Pattern - Heavily nerfed, the fact it could last long was the only good thing about it. Not only is it no longer extendable, but base duration was heavily nerfed.
Touch of Idocy - Meh. I'd say this one got 50/50 improved/nerfed.. lower cost and added debuf are nice, but extend nerf isn't.
Bestow Curse - Extend nerf.
Ray of Exhaustion - Extend nerf, plus they just plain broke the spell. No longer even works.
Sleet storm - Extend nerf.
Crushing Despair - Extend nerf.
Fire Trap - Extend nerf. Damage was up'd sure, but it still sucks as a spell, so overall its a failed change.
Solid Fog - Double nerfed as I said. Extend nerf + added a save. Additionally still doesn't work vs red/purple named, not even the extra -5 reflex added, thus useless overall.
Symbol of Fire - Extend nerf. Damage boost was dumb as its still a worthless spell. essentially functions like DBF trap now, but takes up a far more valuable slot and wont bypass mantle (lvl4)
Hold Monster - Was not improved period. Spellpoint cost remains the same. Taking off extend was actually a good thing given the very good base duration, but imo that qualifies as unintended bug fix, and not a direct improvement.
Waves of Fatigue - Extend nerf.
Symbol of Pain - Extend nerf.
Finger of Death - Argueably it wasn't improved overall, due to the vastly nerfed cooldown time.
Symbol of Weakness - Extend nerf.
Incendiary cloud - Extend nerf. The damage was only just barely increased (total damage dealt with extend is nerfed), then they added a save to the blindness component ,and nerfed its duration. Heavily nerfed spell, not improved. The concealment part is still bugged too.
Bane - Extend nerf
Command - Extend nerf
Doom - Extend nerf
Blindess - Extend nerf
Blade Barrier - Extend Nerf.

No loner extendable, but improved otherwise:
Sleep/Deep Slumber (nerfed for the low hitdice stuff it used to work on, overall I'd say its an improvement tho since it was rarely used at low lvl)

Nerfed by vritue of being bugged/stealth nerfed:
Scare (Contrary to the notes, the hitdice cap was not removed when I tested, thus the extend nerf applies)

Actually not only are all the spells not extendable, but for many of them, the base duration was heavily nerfed too.