Build Critique: Human Cleric Healer

[Book_O_Dragons]

I am planning on Lesser Reincarnating my cleric soon.

This is the plan:

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Draconomicon Bonaduce
Level 20 Neutral Good Human Female
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1571 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 6
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    12
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               18                    29
Charisma             12                    17

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                    10
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         7                    27
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                  4                    12
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  0                     8
Listen                4                     9
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  4                     9
Swim                  0                     1
Tumble                0                     1
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

I will apreciate any constructive feedback.

[Book_O_Dragons]

Starting Stats:
Str: 10 Dex: 8 Con: 16 Int:8 Wis: 18 Cha: 12

All lvl ups in Wis
All +2 tomes eaten
+3 Cha tome eaten
Feats:

Toughness
Maximize Spell
Emp. Healing
Extend Spell
Empower Spell
Quicken Spell
Spell Penetration
Extra Turning

Skills:

23 Concentration
10 Balance
7 Jump
1 Tumble
1 Heal

Enhancements:

Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Clerric Improved Empower Healing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Tumarek]

Dish Extra turning and mental thoughness... go for maximise and maybe more spell pen.

[bkasavan]

It looks good, exept i would lower str, (8) and raise con (16) or charisma.
If you find yoursellf being encumbered, grab the Bulls Strengh spell, and itl alomst never hapen

[Rusty_Can]

Definitely drop Extra Turning; I would take Heighten.

Replace Empower with Maximize; or drop also Mental Toughness (benefits are not worth the feat slot) and take both.

[AtomicMew]

It is better to specialize. Taking only 1 spell penetration feat and no enhancements is inefficient and won't make you a competent at offensive casting. You have two options: healbot or offensive cleric.

Healbot:
-Dial back wisdom, raise your CHA to 16, raise your CON to 15, and take greater human adaptability CON and toughness III. You can safely get rid of DV II and, improved recovery III and prayer of life incredible III. These enhancements are just too expensive for what they do, IMO.
-Dump spell penetration. I would also consider switching out empower in place of maximize for stronger bursts.


Offensive caster:
-You need to fit in the spell penetration enhancements. All three, since they a better deal than using up a feat.
-Also find a way to raise your CON to 15 (STR back to 10 or CHA back to 12) and take greater human adaptability CON and toughness III. Again, look at reducing prayer of incredible life, DV II and/or improved recovery.
-Ditch extra turning and mental toughness. Take maximize and greater spell penetration.

[Book_O_Dragons]

Revision 1 is now up.

Ty for the prompt responces.

[AtomicMew]

The new build you posted looks better. You still need to take the spell penetration enhancements if you want to go that route.

[Fejj]

take greater human adaptability CON and toughness III

Is this a common thought? I often look at it, and think I can spend 9AP in better ways. 10 hitpoints and +1 con don't seem worth it to me. But I may be missing something.

To the OP, you put skill points in Heal ..... kinda a waste there. I'd go all in balance instead. I would even drop con for more int. But i like my skill points. No UMD? I suppose you already got to 20 without it, But i like it on all my toons.

[AtomicMew]

Is this a common thought? I often look at it, and think I can spend 9AP in better ways. 10 hitpoints and +1 con don't seem worth it to me. But I may be missing something.

I think it's worth it. It's 6 AP for 2 build points, which can go into any other stat. Unless you're going for big heal crits, I don't think there is anything better you could spend it on.

[countfitz]

What Rusty said about dropping Extra Turning and Mental Toughness, to have maximize and empower, only perhaps take greater spell penetration instead of one of those? It depends on your build, but I think empower, maximize and heighten is a huge SP expenditure (I do this on my 3000 SP FvS, but couldn't even think about this on my Cleric). Where as greater spell penetration almost guarantees spells land, so no wasted SP ever.

But I've never played a spell pen focused cleric, only a 28 point FvS (my first capped toon), and since I need Cha AND Wis on him, my spell pen is more important, maybe not the case in a cleric.

Either way, drop extra turning and mental toughness.

[Habreno]

If you want to cast offensively:

Max WIS: Check
High CON: Check
Spell Pen/GSP: Check
Maximize: Check
Empower: Check
Heighten: Need. You don't have much L9 spells which you can cast with. Implosion and Ennervation/Energy Drain (not sure which it's called) and lower DCs on your lower spells can be avoided with this meta. Also consider an item which reduces SP cost on Heightening.
Concentration score: Nice. Can be better (have you considered 4 AP for +4 Concentration?)


If you want to heal:
High WIS: Check
High CON: Check
Empower Healing: Check
Wand/Scroll Mastery I: Check. I personally wouldn't go beyond T1, but it's a personal choice.
Concentration score: See above.

With the healing path, make yourself some decent weapons to beat trash with. You'll get bored otherwise.

[Book_O_Dragons]

I want to be mostly healing spec with some melee availible.

Please recomend accordingly.

[Book_O_Dragons]

Revision 2 up.

assume 6 ap cleared up from cleric wis III and put in DV II and spell penn II only on planner

[Kourier]

You probably won't be hitting much with strength like that and no feats to back it up. But since you've maxed wisdom and gotten casting feats, you could go all the way and pick up heighten to have a pretty devastating offensive caster. Extend is getting a pretty big nerf in u9 so you could keep extra turning and pick up heighten or maybe even drop both for something else.

If you want to go melee, I think you should increase strength at the cost of con or cha and pick up power attack and/or improved critical somewhere.

[Book_O_Dragons]

With the healing path, make yourself some decent weapons to beat trash with. You'll get bored otherwise.

That is what I mean by "some melee availible" not taking melee feats.

I will be wearing Levik's bracers for healing amp and those give +6 Str.

[Kahless_of_Cannith]

That is what I mean by "some melee availible" not taking melee feats.

I will be wearing Levik's bracers for healing amp and those give +6 Str.

If you want melee ability, and don't care about casting, try reducing wisdom and increasing strength/charisma. The sp loss is insignificant, and if you aren't worrying about spell dc's wisdom could go as low as 14. Add points to strength for obvious reasons and to charisma for divine might. Ditch spell pen and replace it with improve critical slashing. Take the faith path which gives you a longsword prof clicky. Pwn with a torc and radiant servant aura. If you feel like you need the extra turns, keep extra turning. Otherwise, swap it for power attack or another melee feat (maybe a second toughness).

Advantages of this approach:
Decent dps with divine might, favor, etc.
Sp regen with torc or concordant opp.
Radiant servant healing made more effective by sticking with the melees.
No significant nerf to healing. (An improvement some would say.)
More fun imo.

Disadvantages:
Poor casting abilities, DC-wise.
Gear-intensive.
Dealing with people who think the cleric icon means you're a nannybot.

[Book_O_Dragons]

Just treat it as pure healing spec left over build points into Str.