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    How does 1 consumable differ from another?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepface View Post
    How does 1 consumable differ from another?
    Cost. That's really it.

    And if I recall correctly you always healed me with scrolls . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepface View Post
    How does 1 consumable differ from another?
    Mana pots taste like raspberry Kool-Aid--delicious.

    Heal scrolls are dry and taste like sand--yucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfCheese View Post
    Mana pots taste like raspberry Kool-Aid--delicious.

    Heal scrolls are dry and taste like sand--yucky.
    If you're eating the scroll you're doing something wrong. I'm hardly an expert but that don't sound right . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    Cost. That's really it.

    And if I recall correctly you always healed me with scrolls . . .
    I'm not disagreeing with your general argument, you make a good point.

    But to me personally, with a good amount of plat and more majors than I could ever use it makes no difference. Perhaps i'm pampered by guild runs.

    And thats because you always said to! In many cases I could have used no scrolls and still not run out of sp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    What's a WF-melee? i haven't seen one of those since 2010?

    Though I heard they came out with a wonderful piece of gear to de-gimp a WF's healing amp, it's called a True Heart of Wood . . .
    One of my FvS is actually a Warforged... She has no problem healing herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome View Post
    One of my FvS is actually a Warforged... She has no problem healing herself.
    I said WF-Melee

    LoB FvS is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    I said WF-Melee

    LoB FvS is awesome.
    Well, what else would you call that type of build? It's not a "spellcaster", and it's not they stereotypical "healer" either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome View Post
    Well, what else would you call that type of build? It's not a "spellcaster", and it's not they stereotypical "healer" either.
    Don't ask that too much or Turbine will make you a "specialist."

    It's still a healer. Though considering the one I had with my group last night that's very debatable . . .
    Last edited by grodon9999; 04-26-2011 at 04:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    Don't ask that too much or Turbine will make you a "specialist."

    It's still a healer. Though considering the one I had with my last night that's very debatable . . .
    I'd be willing to settle for melee/healer.


    Though I still do have that Warforged Paladin tank.

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    Scrolls have a separate cooldown from your spells.

    This makes using scrolls at least occaisionally absolutely required and essential and non-negotiable.

    Period, end of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junts View Post
    Scrolls have a separate cooldown from your spells.

    This makes using scrolls at least occaisionally absolutely required and essential and non-negotiable.

    Period, end of discussion.
    ****, wish I remembered that 4 pages ago . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    ****, wish I remembered that 4 pages ago . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarisa View Post
    I just wish more Horoth tanks were built like that.

    It's the barbarians without ample healing amp that can't even be kept up with a healer and a bard both Heal scrolling them that makes us have to drink pots.
    This. I have no problems using scrolls, and in fact can attest to the value of them when coupled with a good tank. I had the pleasure of healing in a Hard VoD where my scrolls, with 1 tier of W&SM, landed at 270hp a pop. I have also found myself healing "Tanks" where empowered Heals landed for 200hp a pop (Warforged). Guess how many of the former I find compared to the latter?

    I've found two of the former. This thread would cause the forums to crash should I attempt to list the latter.

    TBH, if I start an LFM, I'll often declide Barbarians I don't know or haven't played with at least once (and almost invariably if I have played with them) in favor of less spongy classes. I've found that their "uber dps" isn't worth it.

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    If you're eating the scroll you're doing something wrong. I'm hardly an expert but that don't sound right . . .
    Well he is a Half-Orc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    Gets hit on a 2 or gets hit on a 20. Hmmmm . . .

    And I'm talking about my fighter you shaved-ape.
    You sir are completely wrong. I get hit on everything but a 1.

    Get it right next time!
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    This is an impressive min/min build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeldur View Post
    Well said sir.

    And for the record, when running ToD I let brick (bricks are warforged with no healing amp) tanks die. 800hp brick? I'll heal him like I heal any fleshie. If he dies it's his fault.
    Any WF that is supposed to be a maintank and isn't pouring everything he/she can into healing amp is well....yeah, one of those. Especially in TOD where deaths create situations where consumables might be required.

    I consider it my own obligation to build toons that can either A. take care of themselves or B. Reduce the burden on the healers as much as possible.

    I prefer both. I have Barb with 175% healing amp and silver flame pots, a Pale Master, a self healing full UMD Paladin and a full UMD pure DPS ape Assassin Rogue and each and all of them can take care of themselves with buffs to reduce incoming damage, healing amp or self healing.

    I don't think the average player realizes how fantastically awesome it is to have a self sufficient toon though. I know I didn't until I got silver flame pots and was able to sever my umbilical to every healer on Ghallanda. I used to drain blue bars just by walking through the marketplace, now I can keep myself alive while tanking horoth if I have to.

    I'll never build another toon that can't take care of itself.

    And if worst comes to worst and something I'm doing is a burden on healers I'll toss them a couple of pots or some plat to buy a new stack of scrolls etc.
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    This is an impressive min/min build.

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    I have been negged by a zero healing amp stealth ninja WF tank
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junts View Post
    This is an impressive min/min build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    What's a WF-melee? i haven't seen one of those since 2010?

    Though I heard they came out with a wonderful piece of gear to de-gimp a WF's healing amp, it's called a True Heart of Wood . . .
    I have one of those wf melees ... i keep it in a dark room on sleep mode and only take it out to farm shroud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingal View Post
    You sir are completely wrong. I get hit on everything but a 1.

    Get it right next time!
    no no no im pretty sure glass cannons get hit even on a 1. It only says "miss" as a courtesy to make them feel better.

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