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    The Mad Multiclasser Failedlegend's Avatar
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    I was recently looking into LRing my Lvl 17 Warforged Wizard into another race (probably either Human or Elf) Wizard until I realized LRs didn't include race change so I'll probably just be rolling another wizard one day.

    SO the question is other than Warforged (who's biggest advantage is pretty much matched & possibly exceeded by Palemaster) since I'm sick of not being able to wear actual robes.

    This is a very generic analysis but here goes nothing (WF not included)

    Human

    Pros:Extra Feat/Skill,+1 Con/Int, Balanced Starting Starts
    Cons: Nill..except Human Imp recovery does not affect Negative Healing, Less fun to RP

    Elf

    Pros:+4 Spell Pen (also minor sp boost), ASF Reduction Line
    Cons: -2 Con

    Half-Elf

    Pros:Barb Dilettante & +1 Con/Int
    Cons: Nill

    Dwarf

    Pros: +2 Con
    Cons: -2 Cha (Minor but the reduction to UMD can be the difference between 95% and 100% on something)

    Drow

    Pros: +2 Int (Helpful early in you wizards life but is matched later by Humans/H-Elfs), Lots of extra APs due to lack of useful Racial enhancements
    Cons: -2 Con. -4 Build Points, Lack of useful Racial Enhancements

    The Rest: Not much

    What do you guys think....did I miss something?


    Oh and for reference here's the possible LRs I was looking at.


    Kraite Treebender (My two possible LR Plans)

    With Shield

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    Lawful Neutral WF Wizard18/Monk2 "Palemaster" Stats Str 16 Dex 8 Con 16 Int 18 Wis 6 Cha 6 Feats (No particular Order) Regular 1 Shield Prof:General 2 GSF: Necro 3 Shield Mastery 4 Spell Pen 5 Greater Spell Pen 6 Heighten 7 Insightful Reflexes Wiz 1 SF:Necro 2 Mental Toughness 3 Extend 4 Maximize Monk 1 Discipline 2 Toughness Skills Max: Concentration/Spot Half Ranks: UMD/Balance Note: Balance will start getting 2pts (Full Rank) at lvl 8 (+2 Int Tome) and the 2nd Monk Level will be taken at 9 or 10 (whichever one I took rogue at) to catch it up
    Without Shield (either Dual Kama's or a Q-Staff)

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    Lawful Neutral WF Wizard18/Monk2 "Palemaster" Stats Str 16 Dex 8 Con 16 Int 18 Wis 6 Cha 6 Feats (No particular Order) Regular 1 Augment Summoning 2 GSF: Necro 3 SF:UMD 4 Spell Pen 5 Greater Spell Pen 6 Heighten 7 Insightful Reflexes Wiz 1 SF:Necro 2 Mental Toughness 3 Extend 4 Maximize Monk 1 THF 2 Toughness Max: Concentration/Spot Half Ranks: UMD/Balance Note: Balance will start getting 2pts (Full Rank) at lvl 8 (+2 Int Tome) and the 2nd Monk Level will be taken at 9 or 10 (whichever one I took rogue at) to catch it up
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    Drow. +1 DCs from +2 starting INT >> most anything else. Only thing close really is Elf with +4 spell pen via Elven Arcanum, coming out Wednesday.
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    The Mad Multiclasser Failedlegend's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habreno View Post
    Drow. +1 DCs from +2 starting INT >> most anything else. Only thing close really is Elf with +4 spell pen via Elven Arcanum, coming out Wednesday.
    Half-Elves & Humans end up with the exact same modifier at max due to drow ending up with an odd numbered int score...besides they lose out on 4 build points and also have the -2 Con penalty without anything to balance it...the only advantage I see to Drow is the SR but thats quickly overcome.
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    How do you figure?

    20 + 5 level + 3 enhancement + 2 capstone + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 4 tome = 44?

    Nothing odd about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habreno View Post
    How do you figure?

    20 + 5 level + 3 enhancement + 2 capstone + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 4 tome = 44?

    Nothing odd about that?
    You forgot Litany of the Dead, which means the humans/half elves with 18 base + 4 enhancement reach 44, and the drow has 45.

    Which is to say, the advantage of the drow is saving action points (and having no good racial aps to take as well) i nreturn for giving up a bunch of con.

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    Ah, Litany. +1 Profane bonus.

    You're right about that, never can remember. However isn't that best done on True Neutral casters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habreno View Post
    You're right about that, never can remember. However isn't that best done on True Neutral casters?
    Nope the Litany only affect characters of good alignment....neutral is not affected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Junts View Post
    in return for giving up a bunch of con.
    Drow

    Str 14 + 6 Item + 4 Tome + 1 Litany = 25
    Con 12 + 6 Item + 4 tome + 1 Litany = 23
    Int 20 + 5 level + 3 Wiz + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 4 tome + 1 Litany = 43

    Human

    Str 16 + 6 Item + 4 Tome + 1 Litany = 27
    Con 14 + 6 Item + 4 tome + 1 Litany + 1 Human = 26
    Int 18 + 5 level + 3 Wiz +1 Human + 7 item + 3 exceptional + 4 tome + 1 Litany = 42

    Add to that an extra feat and some useful enhancements and your laughing (albeit theres not much room for the enhancements.

    Alternatively you can have 18Con/18Int on a Human vs. a drow 14Con/20Int if you dump Str


    So I'm probably either going to go Elf or Human...most likely Human unless that +4 Spell makes a huge difference. or I'm missing something about another race (ignoring WF of course)

    Also I'm curious about the passive wiz past life feat

    Past Life: Wizard
    You were a wizard in a past life. You occasionally find yourself desiring a good book. Each time you acquire this feat you gain +2 to spell penetration checks and the DC's of wands you use. This feat can be stacked up to three times.

    I'm confused theres two possible ways to read this

    A)
    1) +2 Spell Pen for spells cast
    2) +2 DCs for wands



    B)
    1) +2 Spell pen for wands
    2) +2 DCs for wands
    Last edited by Failedlegend; 04-25-2011 at 11:20 PM.
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    The Mad Multiclasser Failedlegend's Avatar
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    Last edited by Failedlegend; 04-25-2011 at 11:01 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan
    There is little value in getting into an edition debate; as with anything, we create what we believe works best for DDO.

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