Looking for Melee Cleric Build

[Meat-Head]

Hello DDO Brethren and Sistren,

I'm looking for a build that satisfies these things (searched but couldn't find quite right one):

36 point build

1. Raid healer competent (17 or + cleric and gear pretty much covers this)
1.5 Frontline melee (plus hjeals) in all but certain raid situations (yes I know some ppl don't like clerics doing this)
2. Evasion
3. Solid reflex save
4. able to UMD stoneskin & Fireshield (gear swap ok)
5. Divine Might II or better
6. 500+ hps raged and geared
7. While keeping HPS and reflex save solid, I wanna maximize DPS to the extent possible
8. I don't care about AC. BUT, if it comes as a side effect then that's kewl. But I would NOT take CE feat

(+2 supreme tome likely used at lvl 7)

I assume at least these feats

Toughness
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
PA
EMPHeal
MAXIMIZE
QUICKEN

I was thinking a Helf Clonk with Pally Dil for saves, but maybe not.

ANY builds that are close to this would be kewl. ANyone got links?

[Impaqt]

Hello DDO Brethren and Sistren,

I'm looking for a build that satisfies these things (searched but couldn't find quite right one):

36 point build

1. Raid healer competent (17 or + cleric and gear pretty much covers this)
1.5 Frontline melee (plus hjeals) in all but certain raid situations (yes I know some ppl don't like clerics doing this)
2. Evasion
3. Solid reflex save
4. able to UMD stoneskin & Fireshield (gear swap ok)
5. Divine Might II or better
6. 500+ hps raged and geared
7. While keeping HPS and reflex save solid, I wanna maximize DPS to the extent possible
8. I don't care about AC. BUT, if it comes as a side effect then that's kewl. But I would NOT take CE feat

(+2 supreme tomb likely used at lvl 7)

I assume at least these feats

Toughness
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
PA
EMPHeal
MAXIMIZE
QUICKEN

I was thinking a Helf Clonk with Pally Dil for saves, but maybe not.

ANY builds that are close to this would be kewl. ANyone got links?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=313910
Drop points from WIsdom for Chrisma

Use Melee Variant, but lower wisdom for more Charisma

[Phidius]

Except for the 17 levels of cleric, Stryde seems to fit what you are looking for.

That's probably a deal-breaker, though... Most people don't believe he can raid-heal.

[protokon]

36 point build melee cleric, interesting...

what race are you looking to play? I could probably whip something together to make that work.

any preference on weapons?

[Meat-Head]

36 point build melee cleric, interesting...

what race are you looking to play? I could probably whip something together to make that work.

any preference on weapons?

No real preference as long as it fits the goals above

[Veileira]

What past lives do you have already? Or were you looking to start from scratch and TR twice?

[Meat-Head]

What past lives do you have already? Or were you looking to start from scratch and TR twice?

It will have at least 1 cleric and 1 pally past life

[Inferno346]

I would do 17 cleric/2 monk/1 fighter helf with rogue dilly. Same feats you listed and also khopesh and IC:Slashing. This gets you basically maxed out dps (would be tough to fit in DMIII on a horc).

Stat layout would depend on what tomes you have available. Reflex save will be nothing amazing but with holy aura and recitation going it should be sufficient.

[Meat-Head]

......../bump\.........

[protokon]

17 cleric / 2 monk / 1 barb
dwarf w/ lightning strike greataxe.
sounds like good times to me

[Raoull]

17 cleric / 2 monk / 1 barb
dwarf w/ lightning strike greataxe.
sounds like good times to me

alignment restrictions stop a monk / barb multi

I would do 17 cleric/2 monk/1 fighter helf with rogue dilly. Same feats you listed and also khopesh and IC:Slashing. This gets you basically maxed out dps (would be tough to fit in DMIII on a horc).

Stat layout would depend on what tomes you have available. Reflex save will be nothing amazing but with holy aura and recitation going it should be sufficient.

Sounds the most appropriate path. Although Pal dilly with DM enhancements also seems like a decent option. Saves vs. sneak damage. Classic offense vs. defense dichotomy. Keep in mind, clerics can trigger sneak damage at will vs. trash with Holy Aura, so sneak works well even solo, in case that matters to you.

[Arlathen]

Half-Elf Cleric/Monk2/Fighter1

- TWF with Khopesh
- Paladin Dilettante for Saves or Rogue dilletante for DPS. Your choice.
- Raid healed Epic queen last night for the first time. Zero problems, no deaths.

Feats:
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Khopesh
Power Attack
Toughness
Extend
Empower Heal
Quicken

Optional: Maximise or Improved Critical. Or something else. Your choice. I've never needed Maximise for raid healing.

= Obi-Wan voice "This is Melee Battle Cleric your looking for".

Edit: 36pt buy?? Cool. prolly:

Str: 8 +6 +4 = 16
Dex: 8+6+2 = 15
Con 8 +6 = 14
Int: Base 8
Wis: 8 +6 = 14
Cha: 8 +6 = 14

Will allow you get DM2 and ITWF/GTWF with just +2 tomes. All level ups into Strength, if you have +3/+4 tomes available then adjust as appropiate to max Strength.

[RumbIe]

Bump again. I would love to see the progression and enhancements, etc. I am even willing to buy Half Elf now because I never see anyone post it with Human. I am only a 32 point build atm so I may need to drop a stat, but any details please?

[Arlathen]

Bump again. I would love to see the progression and enhancements, etc. I am even willing to buy Half Elf now because I never see anyone post it with Human. I am only a 32 point build atm so I may need to drop a stat, but any details please?

Sure, I'll put my build up later when I get 5 minutes, at work atm

[RumbIe]

I look forward to it. Thank you

[unbongwah]

Here's a modified version of a build I posted recently, with the same level split as Arlathen's idea.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(1 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 17 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 299
Spell Points: 998 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 12
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               12                    16
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    17
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                  1                     5
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  6                    10
Listen                1                     3
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  1                     3
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                3                     5
Use Magic Device      4                    14

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting (swap for Power Attack later)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+2)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Undying Call
Enhancement: Follower of the Undying Court
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Half-Elf Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

A few comments:

• I took rogue dilly for 3D6 SA; but as suggested you could take pally instead for +5 to all saves.
• Monk 2 can be taken whenever you want Toughness and/or Evasion; I prefer to get both ASAP, others prefer to delay until much later to front-load their cleric levels.
• If you plan to use Min2 khopeshes exclusively, you could swap Imp Crit Slash for another metamagic like Empower.
• UMD will take some gear grinding to get it up, but it should hit at least 33 by lvl 20: 11 ranks + 6 CHA (base 14 + 2 tome + 6 item) + 3 competence + 3 enhancement + 6 GS CHA item + 4 Greater Heroism.
• EDIT: I just realized this build doesn't need Divine Vitality; Divine Might meets the Radiant Servant pre-req. So DV can be dropped for something else.

[RumbIe]

Thanks for posting. It seems everyone goes Half Elf with this so I'm guessing Human doesn't work and I'm going to have to buy me a new race ? Also I don't have 2 past lives and only 32 points to play with so with that in mind what would you drop at the start? Dex to 14? Any reason why no one ever goes Dex based and weapon finesse. Especially if you are going Kopeshes you could pick that up instead of Empower or Imp Crit Slash no? that would allow you to save on STR stats and maybe toss a bit more into WIS?

Lastly I was wondering if a Paladin level instead of fighter would accomplish the same goal?

[unbongwah]

It seems everyone goes Half Elf with this so I'm guessing Human doesn't work and I'm going to have to buy me a new race ?

Human also works: lose the HE dilly feat, gain a regular feat & extra skill pts instead. Have a look at Impaqt's BloodPriest which he linked to earlier; he went caster-focused, but it's not hard to make it melee-focused instead.

Also I don't have 2 past lives and only 32 points to play with so with that in mind what would you drop at the start? Dex to 14?

If you drop DEX, you can't take TWF. On a 32-pt build I would dump CHA, drop Divine Might, and bump up WIS to 14. EDIT: DM adds a nice bit of extra DPS, but it's also the easiest thing to drop.

Any reason why no one ever goes Dex based and weapon finesse.

The disadvantages are it lowers DPS, costs a feat, and limits your weapon options; the advantages are higher AC & Reflex, eases your STR requirement, and possibly higher to-hit if it's easier to raise DEX than STR (depending on your race/class combo).

On a battlecleric I would say the cons of Finesse usually outweigh the pros; if you did want to do it, though, I would pick a different race with higher DEX (i.e., halfling, elf, drow).

Lastly I was wondering if a Paladin level instead of fighter would accomplish the same goal?

No - ftr splash is for extra feat; Haste boost & extra HPs are a bonus. Pally 1 adds nothing to this build; pally 2 would add Divine Grace but monk 2 / pally 2 / cleric 16 means no lvl 9 spells. HE with pally dilly gets you (semi-)Divine Grace w/out sacrificing lvls for paladin.

[RumbIe]

I guess I can see Pally not giving a feat being an issue, but you can get the Aura (not huge but something), Pally Toughness for more HP, Paladin Devotion for 10% more healing (does it make up for some loss due to less cleric levels than pure?) and the Pally attack boost which offsets fighter attack boost.

If you go with Dex based I could drop STR for my 32 point build and wouldn't weapon finesse mitigate the issue of lost dps due to less STR or am I misunderstanding how that works? I cold drop STR, boost Dex and Wis so it assures I get TWF, better AC and saves. With weapon finesse wouldn't my DEX replace my STR as the modifier so it works better? If I go human then I'll have the extra feat to spend as well so it's a wash. Am I missing something? I am sure I am because I'm not good at planning these things

[unbongwah]

I guess I can see Pally not giving a feat being an issue, but you can get the Aura (not huge but something), Pally Toughness for more HP, Paladin Devotion for 10% more healing (does it make up for some loss due to less cleric levels than pure?) and the Pally attack boost which offsets fighter attack boost.

A lvl 2 aura is meaningless, fighter also provides Toughness enh, you can't take pally Devotion on top of cleric Life Magic (taking one locks out the other), and why take attack boost when you can take Versatility?

If you go with Dex based I could drop STR for my 32 point build and wouldn't weapon finesse mitigate the issue of lost dps due to less STR or am I misunderstanding how that works?

Finesse substitutes DEX instead of STR for your to-hit mod with light weapons & rapiers; however your dmg bonus still comes from STR except for a few weapons which use DEX instead (e.g., epic Zephyr). That's what I meant by "lowers DPS:" a Finesse build is usually at least 8 pts lower STR than a conventional melee build and thus does that much less dmg.

Now, it gets a bit trickier if the comparison is between a Finesse build w/Divine Might vs a STR build w/out DM, since DM would help make up for that lost STR. If you wanted to try that, I would probably do drow instead of human or HE for the CHA & DEX bonuses.