Help me tweak my WF DPS Rogue

[Seamonkeysix]

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the generator to post the build from this computer but, I will put this up in the meantime to get feedback on a max DPS pure rogue build + equipment.

I am on a TRx1 on a WF rogue. The idea was to use the WF line for getting some extra HP, and the WF immunities to balance out some of the saves (seeing how WF are immune to Sleep, Hold Person, Energy Drained, Nauseated, Exhausted, Poison, Disease, and Paralyzed and will have a cruddy will save). The toon will be pure assassin with the SA capstone. Past life is fighter.

The build looks like this at cap(I currently have the gear)

STR: 18 + 3 tome + level ups + 6 item +1 exceptional +3 greater abishai= 36
Int : 12+2 tome= 14
Dex: 15+2 tome +7 item= 24
Con: 16 + 2 tome +2 WF +1 exceptional +7 item= 28
Wis: 6+2 Tome= 8
Char: 6+2 Tome= 8

Gear:

Head: Minos
Necklace: HP Tier 3 GS
Gloves: Epic Charged Gauntlets
Bracers: Tharnes Bracers
Goggles: Tharnes Goggles
Boots: Epic Boots of Corrosion
Cloak: Epic Envenomed Cloak
Docent: DT +5 resistance, +1 exceptional con, Radiance Guard
Belt: Knosts Belt
Rings: Epic CC Ring and Encrusted Ring
Primary Weapon set: GTWF LitII Khopeshes

Feats:

Toughness
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Improved Crit: Slash
Power Attack

Rogue Specific:

Improved Evasion
Crippling Stike
Opportunist
Slippery Mind

If I did the math correctly, the build will have 507 standing HP. I have 2 sets of madstone boots banked, so situational madstone + rage will boost HP up to the mid/high 500s.

I am thinking I will leave the Tharnes set in place to mitigate threat from all the damage from SA, lightning strikes, ect...

I have only leveled the toon to level 8, and he is currently shelved while I TR a different build, but I am doing initial planning for him, as he is next on the leveling list.

Any thoughts to improving the build/equipment will be appreciated, as I have plenty of time to adjust fire if I am way off in my thinking here.

[destiny4405]

mostly, im running only with subtle III and im using tharnes set (dt armor + goggles) against bosses only. i have on bracers hp item. you dont need +5 saves on dt or minos, as epic envenomed cloak has it or can have toughness, and heavy fort can be put somewhere else (on dt armor or on boots for instance). that would leave you necklace spot free (for another tod set) and helm for whatever. maybe put gs hp on head and still have tharnes bracers on.

[Seamonkeysix]

mostly, im running only with subtle III and im using tharnes set (dt armor + goggles) against bosses only. i have on bracers hp item. you dont need +5 saves on dt or minos, as epic envenomed cloak has it or can have toughness, and heavy fort can be put somewhere else (on dt armor or on boots for instance). that would leave you necklace spot free (for another tod set) and helm for whatever. maybe put gs hp on head and still have tharnes bracers on.

Good ideas. I actually messed up a bit on my gear. Getting +7 dex from the Epic CC ring so that takes care of Tumbleweed. I can craft something else for head slot and have plenty of places to put heavy fort. I will have to take a look at what to put there. Probably a very solid thought to get rid of necklace for HP and put it on my head and then get a different necklace. Second ToD set is probably a good thought. I will get +6 dex from Tharnes Bracers. Not sure what to do about the 23 Dex without the CC Epic Ring. I don't want my reflex to be too low.

I can switch out the Eldritch Rune on the DT set, since the Cloak aready has the resistance on it. Missed that, too.

[Seamonkeysix]

I have leveled up some "easy button" toons in the past. Couple of monster builds and 2 FvS, Pally and an Arcane Archer. First attempt at a pure rogue build to capstone using a TR. Anybody know if the subtle backstabbing will stack with the reduced threat from Tharne's set?

Found this link. http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=23

Wondering if the max of 50% threat reduction still applies. Any of you professional rogues know?

[brzytki]

If you want better DPS you can switch FB set for Ravager set, i'd take heal amp instead of exceptional con on DT armor since u can slot the latter in any epic item. Tharne's bracers are kinda meh imo, i use another set of DT armor if i want to get better threat reduction.

I would drop Slippery Mind since your will saves won't be that high for this to matter and since u'll be WF some spells against which that feat could be handy while leveling up won't affect you.

About threat, you are quoting Eladrin's post but u have to go back to the thread and scroll a few posts down. In his next post he states that there is no cap to threat reduction for now. Another thing is that he says threat reduction stacks additively though in a podcast some long time ago one of devs said it stacks muliplicatively. So... we don't know for sure which one is true.

[Noctus]

If Thread Reduction works like Thread Increases it stacks multiplicatively.



Switch +1 CON 2nd level DT armor to +20% healing amp. It helps to compensate for the WF rogues weakness of low healing amp.

A maintank WF can get away with low healing amp as he most often has a arcane to repair him. Rogue who mainly get healed by mass cures do not have a healer who particularly cares for them and need extra attention if their healing amp is significantly lower than that of the rest of the group, which is most of the time.


Otherwise the rest of the build is good.

[Seamonkeysix]

If Thread Reduction works like Thread Increases it stacks multiplicatively.



Switch +1 CON 2nd level DT armor to +20% healing amp. It helps to compensate for the WF rogues weakness of low healing amp.

A maintank WF can get away with low healing amp as he most often has a arcane to repair him. Rogue who mainly get healed by mass cures do not have a healer who particularly cares for them and need extra attention if their healing amp is significantly lower than that of the rest of the group, which is most of the time.


Otherwise the rest of the build is good.

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about healers friend 1 or maybe 2 and switching to the 10% healing amp for the 1st tier of the DT armor, since I have +5 resists on the Epic Envenomed Cloak. I need to get +1 exceptional con somewhere, or else I go to a 27 Con...unless I pick up a +3 con tome in the meantime. It's a solid thought to up my healing amp, though. I have a feeling this toon might steal a lot of agro and need to be able to mitigate getting smacked around by bosses.

[Qezuzu]

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about healers friend 1 or maybe 2 and switching to the 10% healing amp for the 1st tier of the DT armor, since I have +5 resists on the Epic Envenomed Cloak. I need to get +1 exceptional con somewhere, or else I go to a 27 Con...unless I pick up a +3 con tome in the meantime. It's a solid thought to up my healing amp, though. I have a feeling this toon might steal a lot of agro and need to be able to mitigate getting smacked around by bosses.

+1 EXC CON can but put in any epic augment slot.

[Seamonkeysix]

+1 EXC CON can but put in any epic augment slot.

True. I somewhat had plans with the tokens I have, and didn't want to spend them on an augment when I already have +1 Exc Con slotted on some items, or I can throw it on DT armor for the price of a few casual runs through Prey vs. the epic tokens...but it may end up being the case that I use up some epic tokens when push comes to shove.