Wizard with one level in Favored Soul?

[Gadren]

I am playing a wizard, and I love everything about the class except how fast I run out of SP.
I am strongly considering taking one level in Favored Soul for the extra SP (both from the class and the double bonus from +SP items) as well as self-healing as I progress through the levels, and then using lesser reincarnate when I get close to 20 to trade it out for pure wiz...

The question: Is this worth it? If my calculations are correct, the extra SP I would get from just 1 FVS level is considerable, and being able to cast CLW and use divine wands without worrying about UMD failure is gravy...

[KillEveryone]

You won't get that much extra SP.

Your healing won't be worth it unless you have a very small amount of HP.

[Zirun]

You won't get very much extra SP from 1 level. The extra SP you get from items will only be 5% at cap (since you have 1 FvS level out of 20), or something that's not very significant.

If you want self-healing ability, be a Pale Master and you can respec later if you have to without having to use a LR.

[Jaid314]

try using more spell-likes.

[Gadren]

You won't get very much extra SP from 1 level.

Isn't it like +100 sp + wisdom bonus?

The extra SP you get from items will only be 5% at cap (since you have 1 FvS level out of 20), or something that's not very significant.

Oh, the double SP bonus only works if you are pure sorc or FVS? I didn't know that...

[Gkar]

It's a CHR bonus for FvS, not WIS.

And its not worth it.

It's also not worth it.

Most importantly it's not worth it.

By end game its worth nothing. You lose a feat (which could have been used for SP), a L8 spell, a L9 spell, the capstone, 1 spell pen, 1 caster level (which means less damage on some spells). It's basically a horrid decision.

[Gadren]

It's a CHR bonus for FvS, not WIS.

And its not worth it.

It's also not worth it.

Most importantly it's not worth it.

By end game its worth nothing. You lose a feat (which could have been used for SP), a L8 spell, a L9 spell, the capstone, 1 spell pen, 1 caster level (which means less damage on some spells). It's basically a horrid decision.

Why do people keep bringing up endgame? I SAID I planned to use lesser reincarnate to get rid of it at higher levels, I was just asking about its viability for getting through/up to like level 15 or so.
Lesser Reincarnate +1 would let me trade it for a wizard level, right? Lesser Heart +1 isn't exactly hard to come by.

[AndyD47]

The bonus SP is based off the total number of FvS levels as someone else mentioned,not worth it all to splash just for an absolutely tiny bump.

You'd save more sp scrolling a buff you cast off of your blue bar,or some something else that's just a play skill option.

[kernal42]

You'll get more sp out of another wizard level.

You'll also get much more power out of that wizard level than you would from the tiny amount of self-healing.

Also, people won't look at you funny when you try to join their PUGs .

In short: Don't do it.

-Kernal

[Gadren]

You'll get more sp out of another wizard level.
-Kernal

How do you figure?

[Teharahma]

How do you figure?

The SP you get is less then the SP you get from having the 20th level of wiz ? (+capstone)

C'mon don't let us do all the thinking.

[Angelus_dead]

And Wiz20 reduces the costs of all metamagics, which is like having more spellpoints.

[ImFour20]

im pretty sure he's talking about the SP bonuses from SP gear like archmagi/GS

which would be an extra 150 from GS and an extra 200 from archmagi right? just for taking the 1 lvl.

I dont see it as that big of a deal(as long as you LR when you cap to go pure wiz like you said).

I used to have this issue with running out of SP until I went AM and started using SLAs

[Teharahma]

im pretty sure he's talking about the SP bonuses from SP gear like archmagi/GS

which would be an extra 150 from GS and an extra 200 from archmagi right? just for taking the 1 lvl.

I dont see it as that big of a deal(as long as you LR when you cap to go pure wiz like you said).

I used to have this issue with running out of SP until I went AM and started using SLAs

No.

The SP from greensteel doesn't get doubled on a FvS/Sorc
Also, the extra 200 from archmagi is in fact.
200/20(cappedchar)x1(FvS/Sorc levels)=10sp.

[Dandonk]

im pretty sure he's talking about the SP bonuses from SP gear like archmagi/GS

which would be an extra 150 from GS and an extra 200 from archmagi right? just for taking the 1 lvl.

As stated above, no. You get extra SP from items based on your fraction of fvs/sorc levels. So with 1 level fvs, 19 wizard you get 5% extra, so 10 from archmagi. So totally not worth it.

[erikbozelie]

let me give this an go.

20 wizard with 40 int has 1640 base sp.

18 wizard with 40 int has 1415 base sp.
adding 30 (14base +6 enhancement + 2exceptional +2 tome +2 shrine +2 yugo +2drow) charisma, asume this 30 as an reachable form, 1 litany, no 4 tome, no human of helf enh. several ways to reach 30.

1 level soc with 30 charisma is 280 - 80 for the feat = 200 sp gained for 1 level soc.
1 level of fvs with 30 charisma is 280 - 80 for the feat = 200 sp gained for 1 level fvs.

1415 + 200 + 200 = 1815 - 1640= 175 sp gained at the cost of 2 spell pen.

have you considered making it up with items, and prestege classes?
AM1 = 100sp
AM2 = 75sp.
AM3 = 75sp.
AM4 = 75sp.
AM5 = 75sp.

archmage is 200sp(200*1.1 = 220 on this build).
greensteel exceptional spell points = 150 ( 150 * 1.1 = 165sp on this build).
event trinket = 50sp (50*1.1 = 55sp on this build).

mental toughness = 105sp.
improved mental toughness = 105sp.
soc past live = 105sp.

you should be able to get to: 2970sp. costing 3 feats, 2 levels, and none AM SLA's taken.

edit: do note that youll lose the wizard capstone: +2 int = more sp. so giving up 1 level might not be worth it

[blitzschlag]

How do you figure?

you will get 50sp more early on compared to wizard. if that makes your wiz better go for it. imo you're lacking playing experience if you don't get to the next shrine with your sp...

[phalaeo]

From the healing standpoint- totally not worth it. You'll get a single CLW, boosted by metamagics, but not boosted by Cleric/FvS enhancements. It will suck, even as an emergency button.

You'd be better to do one of these options:

• WForged, so you can repair yourself
• Pale Master, so you can heal via Death Aura, etc.
• Half Elf with Cleric/FvS dilettante

[Gadren]

The SP you get is less then the SP you get from having the 20th level of wiz ? (+capstone)

C'mon don't let us do all the thinking.

I find it funny that you criticize me for not thinking when you clearly did not read the whole OP or every other time I have stated this.

The plan was to lesser reincarnate around level 15, to drop the fvs level.

AGAIN.

THE PLAN WAS TO LESSER REINCARNATE AROUND LEVEL 15, TO DROP THE FVS LEVEL.

AGAIN.

THE. PLAN. WAS. TO. LESSER. REINCARNATE. AROUND. LEVEL. 15. TO. DROP. THE. FVS. LEVEL.

And yet people still keep bringing up capstone like it was something I was not aware of. I was just asking on the viability of it as a tool for self-support while going up levels. Why is it so hard to read an entire question before firing off an answer?

Anyways. To those who DID read my OP and respond accordingly, I thank you, as it shows me that it is not worth it even if I plan to reincarnate (mainly, I was not aware that the double SP bonus was divided up like that.)

[richieelias27]

You will be 1 level behind in wizard spells in exchange for less healing than you could get with the palemaster PRE.