Please move gr necro foc prereq to pale master III

[Nick_RC]

You are giving us an interesting option in the way of vampire form for those of us who like playing around with battlemages next mod. I think you should throw those of us who would like to make a battlemage a bone.

Drop Greater necro focus back to palemaster III. Reasons:

1. It will still be necessary for those who are pure caster only pale masters so its still taking a feat.
2. It ties in with the most powerful form - liches who are obviously masters of necromancy rather than vampires and wraiths who are lesser undead some not noted ofr their casting ability
3. Makes battlemage forms more interesting without a cumbersome 2 feat penalty. One i get am and fine with but 2 just seems a little rough, Think 12 wizzy/6x/2x - not a master of necromancy but certainly proficient. With these deep splash builds 2 feats is rough whilst 1 is only half as bad.

Cheers

N

[Phidius]

An honest quest here - do you really think Turbine wants to encourage battle-mages, deeply splashed or not?

[LeLoric]

Tenser's Transformation is on the "yeah, this has to change" list. It's pretty faithful to the tabletop implementation, but that's not enough to make it a good spell. Expect it to change in the future to something more valuable to an arcane melee type character.

This post from Eladrin would make me think that they encourage battle mages.

[SableShadow]

This post from Eladrin would make me think that they encourage battle mages.

They do, however, discourage pants.

[Nick_RC]

An honest quest here - do you really think Turbine wants to encourage battle-mages, deeply splashed or not?

They throw in teasers like vampire regen on hit and shroud wraith damage etc but dont follow up much from that. So yeah in a way I think they are encouraging them...its just very subtle and probably doesnt concern them all that much. There are plenty of battlemage types in PnP..they should be translated to DDO. Finding balance is hard but some things can be tweaked slightly without hurting much.

N

[Phidius]

This post from Eladrin would make me think that they encourage battle mages.

That's a good post - still, there's a world of difference between promises and actual changes. Just ask any druid fan.

Still, going with the assumption that they want to encourage battle mages, is there any "evidence" that they want to encourage deeply-splashed battle mages?

[voodoogroves]

That's a good post - still, there's a world of difference between promises and actual changes. Just ask any druid fan.

Still, going with the assumption that they want to encourage battle mages, is there any "evidence" that they want to encourage deeply-splashed battle mages?

No soup for you!


Deep splashes are really hard for them to code, I imagine. There are no Eldritch Knight or similar PRE options that are full BAB and full/near-full casting like there are in PNP.

I still enjoy running the ones I have though.

[Jahmin]

/signed

Good point Nick - well thought out.

[slimkj]

/signed

Good point Nick - well thought out.

What they said. Good idea.

[Lithic]

No soup for you!


Deep splashes are really hard for them to code, I imagine. There are no Eldritch Knight or similar PRE options that are full BAB and full/near-full casting like there are in PNP.

I still enjoy running the ones I have though.

Actually the new sorc savant abilities suggest something like that could be possible. For example:

Eldritch Knight 3
Wizard Lvl 9
Requires (among others) Fighter XXX Specialization 1
Provides: +6 to caster level to all spells
Provides: +6 spell penetration to all spells.
When using your favored weapon your BAB = Character level

The above would result in a PRE that requires lvl 9 wizard, and 8 levels of fighter (for fighter weapon specialization 1), and gives the caster a tohit on par with melee classes as well as casting abilities that approach a pure class caster, though of course with the loss of high level spells.

[DrNuegebauer]

/signed

It doesn't affect full necro at all to make the GSF requirement at 18.

And a '12 splash' type build is certainly not OP in the slightest - removing 1 feat requirement doesn't make it so either!

[Khellendros13]

I agree. I went max str PM for my Wiz TR (12/6/2 wiz fighter rogue was projected build). It was actually lots of fun, but as I entered GH, those 2 feats were just wasting away so I LR'd to max int.

The feats were tight,.

Oddly, zerging felt faster as the melee build.

I am still in 2 minds about going back. Maybe I will TR as an Elf version for the Falchion enhancements next life. Maybe Bard splash like Teth hehe.

So yes, spreading out the PM reqs would be a nice idea to open up build possibilities, especially as Lich form is now at PM3.

[wigthemaster]

Actually the new sorc savant abilities suggest something like that could be possible. For example:

Eldritch Knight 3
Wizard Lvl 9
Requires (among others) Fighter XXX Specialization 1
Provides: +6 to caster level to all spells
Provides: +6 spell penetration to all spells.
When using your favored weapon your BAB = Character level

The above would result in a PRE that requires lvl 9 wizard, and 8 levels of fighter (for fighter weapon specialization 1), and gives the caster a tohit on par with melee classes as well as casting abilities that approach a pure class caster, though of course with the loss of high level spells.

this... this could work..

~wig

[Rakian_Knight]

Have to agree with the original post here, when reading the pale master forms they scream wizard/monk to me personally and if I had monk unlocked I would make a Pale Master/Monk. Don't see how moving this feat to Pale Master 3 (besides offering more flexibility to everyone) would effect anything.

[lethargos]

Actually the new sorc savant abilities suggest something like that could be possible. For example:

Eldritch Knight 3
Wizard Lvl 9
Requires (among others) Fighter XXX Specialization 1
Provides: +6 to caster level to all spells
Provides: +6 spell penetration to all spells.
When using your favored weapon your BAB = Character level

The above would result in a PRE that requires lvl 9 wizard, and 8 levels of fighter (for fighter weapon specialization 1), and gives the caster a tohit on par with melee classes as well as casting abilities that approach a pure class caster, though of course with the loss of high level spells.

Eladrin posted somewhere his initial thoughts on the melee fvs pre. It had full bab with favoured weapon.