You can't tell me I'm not good enough.

[mws2970]

I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And gosh darn it, people like me!

[LordPiglet]

I'm looking forward to getting declined cause there's no way a melee FVS can heal.
And also there's no way I can have DPS if I can heal.

In short, some raid group leaders are stupid. Better get used to it and find other Shroud runs if it happens.

I haven't been declined, or even asked if I can heal on Porksoda (knock on wood)

[LordPiglet]

Hahaha I started that same fight the other night in a PuG Shroud! Party had a Cleric and two Flavored Soul's. One Flavored Soul dc's in part 1, "Hey Cleric I hope you can solo heal!" I immediately made the comment "What about the other Flavored Soul? We still have two healers." The battle was on....

pug guy: Can't you see she is a WF melee?
me: and???
pug: She cant heal, she's melee specc'd
me: Why can't she help heal?
pug because she's &^$@&*&^# melee you *&^#%#&* &*#^#^#&*#* #*^##^&##&
me: Well, I have a melee built Flavored Soul and I solo heal
me: If a healing CAPABLE class can't handle HELPING heal a Shroud, maybe it's time to reroll...

Then I shut up and let the guy rant. Turns out the healing incapable melee Flavored Soul was his wife. LMAO

BTW, last night I put solo healed an Epic Von 6 on my melee Flavored Soul

yuda

Blah, I missed it, went to swap to Pork to run that epic von and it was gone.

I think I know who you're talking about on that melee FvS, I ran with them once, probably won't do it again. In fact, I won't run with any of the "we can't heal" FvS if I can help it.

[krackythehoodedone]

Sorry to those posting, blaming the Vets for ''elitism''. Thats just not true in this case. All the Vets did this quest loads of times with No Epic gear or Tod rings at 14-16 and it was a doddle even then.

Appears to me to be more a bit of Ranger hate, especially Ranged Ranger hate.

Was it only a short while ago that a 350Hp Ranger with 80AC a pair of WOP/L11 rapiers and a high UMD ruled the game. How things change eh?

Your toon is more than worth his spot in a Shroud. You know it, I know it. Their loss. I'll give you a spot anytime.

[stoopid_cowboy]

And you're telling me that I'm not good enough to do the shroud?

BTW, you're not good enough

yuda

LOLz

[Ilindith]

I haven't been declined, or even asked if I can heal on Porksoda (knock on wood)

Re-rolled same build I had 2 lives earlier...and it happened quite a few times =(
It's like when I had an exploiter build and I had to send tells every time saying "I can do traps..." to get invited to groups that needed that.

[LolWutRoflstomped]

I'm one of twelve people in the world who can say they finished the shroud on hard first (when the level cap was 4 levels lower and there wasn't nearly as good gear).

That was good times... Especially having me wand heal Flatlined while he tried to tank Devil. Lol.

[Kages]

Hahaha I started that same fight the other night in a PuG Shroud! Party had a Cleric and two Flavored Soul's. One Flavored Soul dc's in part 1, "Hey Cleric I hope you can solo heal!" I immediately made the comment "What about the other Flavored Soul? We still have two healers." The battle was on....

pug guy: Can't you see she is a WF melee?
me: and???
pug: She cant heal, she's melee specc'd
me: Why can't she help heal?
pug because she's &^$@&*&^# melee you *&^#%#&* &*#^#^#&*#* #*^##^&##&
me: Well, I have a melee built Flavored Soul and I solo heal
me: If a healing CAPABLE class can't handle HELPING heal a Shroud, maybe it's time to reroll...

Then I shut up and let the guy rant. Turns out the healing incapable melee Flavored Soul was his wife. LMAO

BTW, last night I put solo healed an Epic Von 6 on my melee Flavored Soul

yuda

You so mean Yuda.

[HallowedOne]

Or, in other words:

DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!

[darkrune]

I've run the shroud **** near 100 times. I'm one of twelve people in the world who can say they finished the shroud on hard first (when the level cap was 4 levels lower and there wasn't nearly as good gear). I've got Min II khopeshes and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up. Raged and not including madstone I've got 477 HP with 50% healing amplification. And you're telling me that I'm not good enough to do the shroud?

Oh well, I bet it was fun waiting what was at least 7 minutes for that final DPS spot. I'm sure in the end you saved soooo much time choosing someone over me.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm amazingly good, I'm just saying that I'm well than good enough for a raid designed for level 16s.

-Ubertastic

You're not good enough... There I just did, and it was actually quite easy!

[protokon]

these must be the same level 20s, doing a 17th level quest called the shroud...the same level 20s who will wait 1 hour for a cleric to join a normal run in chronoscope...

You probably had a better time writing this thread than you would have had in that group...

*giggles*

it's funny because its true!

[QuantumFX]

and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up.

I could point out how killing every twilight fan could result in a massive reduction if the world’s MILF population. But then that would summon the Cube and bad things would happen here.

So, to paraphrase the immortal wisdom of Carl Spackler:

If we kill all the Twilight fans they’ll lock us up and throw away the key!

[Battlehawke]

YOu should solo it... Just to show off... I tgink u can.

[Teech]

Hahaha I started that same fight the other night in a PuG Shroud! Party had a Cleric and two Flavored Soul's. One Flavored Soul dc's in part 1, "Hey Cleric I hope you can solo heal!" I immediately made the comment "What about the other Flavored Soul? We still have two healers." The battle was on....

pug guy: Can't you see she is a WF melee?
me: and???
pug: She cant heal, she's melee specc'd
me: Why can't she help heal?
pug because she's &^$@&*&^# melee you *&^#%#&* &*#^#^#&*#* #*^##^&##&
me: Well, I have a melee built Flavored Soul and I solo heal
me: If a healing CAPABLE class can't handle HELPING heal a Shroud, maybe it's time to reroll...

Then I shut up and let the guy rant. Turns out the healing incapable melee Flavored Soul was his wife. LMAO

BTW, last night I put solo healed an Epic Von 6 on my melee Flavored Soul

yuda

I betcha they were strawberry Flavored Souls! Those always turn out terrible!

[wax_on_wax_off]

I wish there was some way for a raid leader to know who was going to pull their weight and who isn't.

Personally, my approach to the Shroud depends on the time of the day. During peak time I'll accept anyone because chances are I know half the people in the group anyway and if not the priority is to get the thing moving.

However, when I put up a Shroud in the wee hours of the morning when no one I know is online then I take a bit more care with who I accept into my Shroud run. Firstly, I have the time to, the Shrouds not going to fill in 30 seconds; if I don't consider who I'll accept then I'll just be sitting around twiddling my thumbs. Secondly, I find that the worst gimps tend to crawl out at these hours. It's possible you hit my LFM as I put up a Shroud last night in the wee hours and I had about 5 arcane archers hit my LFM, 4 of which had less than 300 HP and strength of less than 25; I don't care how you look at it, those players were a liability. So I myDDO'd. Got into a fight with one guy (a pure fighter) for wanting to check that he wasn't planning to beat on harry with his T1 cutlasses, he RQ'd before we set off. Had another long chat with an arcane archer with a minII longsword and a tier 2 GS longsword, he ended up too offended to join considering that I questioned his choice of longswords (didn't necessarily have a problem, just a strange choice).

But you know what? In part 4 when 2 of the heaviest DPS DC'd (simultaneous, probably a server issue) we still finished in almost 1 round. Part 5 wasn't so smooth, somehow the clerics burned their SP and someone had to drink a pot though at that stage we were 10 men.

I think you've got an obligation as a raid leader to get the job done as quickly and painlessly as possible. At certain times of the day that means not being picky (as that slows down getting started) and just going with roughly the first 12. At other times of the day if you have the time to check some people which are more likely to be a liability then what's the harm in it? Certainly if I hadn't I doubt that particular Shroud would have ended so well or at least more pots would have been used.

Summary of some thoughts I have when building a Shroud raid;
Assets: Good Players (people I know, guilds I know). Solid Characters (familiar builds). Cohesive Groups (people who can answer a question about their character without getting offended).
Possible Assets or Liabilities: Healers without mass heal, arcane archers, pure rogues, strange multiclass builds, having less than 8 melee DPS, level <20/ungeared characters
Liabilities: Rogues with ~0 fort and <300 HP, Dexterity based Arcane Archers with <300 HP, Healers without the gear/SP pool/skill to last a few rounds, more than 1 arcane when they aren't geared/specced for DPS, more than 2 healers when none of them can contribute DPS, more than 1 non-DPS-specced bard

Don't get me wrong, every group will have some liabilities, especially ones you don't know about beforehand. However, the trick is to recognise the balance and keep it in favour of completing painlessly with some margin for error (if people DC or whatever).

/rant off

[Benjai]

It wasn't you. You'd remember me if it was me. I may have publicly questioned the raid leader's mental capacity as well as reminded how much time he'd been waiting for one last dps after rejecting me (7 minutes).

I mean I'd understand if you already had a bunch of archers, but this guy didn't have a single one, nor did he even ask me if I was an archer or melee based.

I hear you though, dex-based archers that don't have a single melee weapon in their inventories let alone on their action bar are sort of annoying.

[protokon]

It wasn't you. You'd remember me if it was me. I may have publicly questioned the raid leader's mental capacity as well as reminded how much time he'd been waiting for one last dps after rejecting me (7 minutes).

I mean I'd understand if you already had a bunch of archers, but this guy didn't have a single one, nor did he even ask me if I was an archer or melee based.

I hear you though, dex-based archers that don't have a single melee weapon in their inventories let alone on their action bar are sort of annoying.

jesus dude, insecure at all? had you been harassing me like that after being declined, not only would I have squelched you, my guild had squelched you, i had advertised recommending everyone in all chat channels to squelch you, but would've filed an in-game complaint for harassment.

people are ********, move on and form your own group. I've been declined for the silliest of reasons countless times, so have all my friends/guildies. laugh it off and move on, no reason to waste energy over it (as frustrating as it can be).

[Zenthalas]

I've run the shroud **** near 100 times. I'm one of twelve people in the world who can say they finished the shroud on hard first (when the level cap was 4 levels lower and there wasn't nearly as good gear). I've got Min II khopeshes and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up. Raged and not including madstone I've got 477 HP with 50% healing amplification. And you're telling me that I'm not good enough to do the shroud?

Oh well, I bet it was fun waiting what was at least 7 minutes for that final DPS spot. I'm sure in the end you saved soooo much time choosing someone over me.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm amazingly good, I'm just saying that I'm well than good enough for a raid designed for level 16s.

-Ubertastic

Instead of complaining about it on the forums you could just wait the 5 mins it takes for another group to form up, it's not like theres only 1 shroud going on per day.

[LoveNeverFails]

I've got Min II khopeshes and enough silver arrows to kill every Twilight fan in the world when manyshot is up. Raged

I know that this was not the point of this thread. but still this made me giggle. +1

[Benjai]

jesus dude, insecure at all? had you been harassing me like that after being declined, not only would I have squelched you, my guild had squelched you, i had advertised recommending everyone in all chat channels to squelch you, but would've filed an in-game complaint for harassment.

people are ********, move on and form your own group. I've been declined for the silliest of reasons countless times, so have all my friends/guildies. laugh it off and move on, no reason to waste energy over it (as frustrating as it can be).

Well that would have been a significant over-reaction. It wasn't that I publicly called him personally out. I think it was along the lines of "What kind of idiot only has barbarians, fighters, and paladins as DPS for the shroud?"